[pure-silver] Re: Thinking of moving back to film
- From: Speedy <speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:34:15 -0400
I have never processed C41.
I have done quite a bit of RA4 printing and got pretty good after wasting a
bunch of paper learning how.
I have a Jobo ATL-2 processor which makes it easy to get good consistent
prints. I can do up to 16x20
with the tanks that I have.
I have not used the processor in quite some time. My workload at my regular
job got to be such that I just
don't have the time to spend on this that I used to... I could easily use the
Jobo for C41 and RA4. If only I
had the time.
Speedy
From: mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Thinking of moving back to film
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:49:09 -0700
I have done color processing many years ago. I never was any good at all at
color printing. Did ok souping the film, was much better though letting others
do the color printing. Tried the RA 4 AT but it cost more than just sending it
out. Much of what I would likely do now would be to send it to digital. Much
better there, but if your temp varies by much when you ran the film, you still
had problems.
I never had a processor though. I had to maintain temp with a water bath, a
fish tank heater, and an fish tank air pump to move the water around to keep
the temp more consistent. It worked, but it was never going to be a high
volume operation that way:-) When I figured the costs, it was no cheaper and
printing was actually much more expensive for me to do it myself than have it
done. At $12 a sheet that cost picture changes.
Even the film wasn't a huge cost savings. The cost of the chemistry was
enough, that though a good skill to learn and I believe it made me a better
photographer, it was better to let someone with a processor that could do much
better with temp control than I could using a fish tank heater and pump.
If I go that route though, it wouldn't take long to justify a jobo at $12 a
sheet. It also means upgrading my scanner, and buying lenses and shutters that
cost far more.
The other downside, and I know some here will poo poo this and that's ok, is
that no zooms for large format. Every time I am forced to use a prime lens, I
get lucky. Trouble is its all bad. Right were I need to set up the camera for
the lens I have is just not possible. Something is already there that is in
the way. Some one is taking up the space or a barrier there. I back up till I
am almost far enough back, and then my back ends up in a barbed wire fence.
Anyone that uses primes knows the feeling. It still happens with zooms, but
there are more options. Half the time when I want to set up a tripod, there is
something on the ground that makes it difficult. From big rocks to mud, to
steep hills and sand, I always seem to manage to find the one spot within 10
acres that a tripod just does not want to safely stand upright with its load.
Never forget that any time a gust of wind can come along and blow over your
expensive gear and smash it into a million little pieces, Photographer Murphy
is always happy to oblige and send you shopping for more gear.
Sad thing is I wouldn't be doing any of this if Adobe had not tried to milk me
for the nickel too far. Then again, getting back to film will be fun too. I
will just put what I would have spent in a Photoshop subscription into film.
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Thinking of moving back to film
From: "K W Hart" <kwhart1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, June 28, 2013 1:31 pm
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Color processing (C-41) is not difficult or expensive. For roll film
(35mm or 120), I use a common roll film tank. Depending on how many rolls I
have to develope, I use either metal or plastic. For the few times I've
developed sheet film, I use an old Unicolor print drum that will handle 1-8x10
or 2-5x7 or 4-4x5 sheets. It specs 2 ounces of chems, but I usually use about 8
ounces. As for chem life, the developer is the big issue. I use Trebla brand
chems from CPAC. I buy the smallest quantity kit, and mix the three parts using
syringes to get the developer replenisher. Then I add the starter to get the
working solution. (Note: I use a different syringe for each chem concentrate to
avoid any contamination.) Once mixed, the developer might have a one week
shelf life, but the concentrates last a year or more on the shelf. I usually
mix 16 ounces or more at a time. Developing C-41 is not difficult if you can
maintain a consistent time/temp. I've found a 2:00 pre-soak in water at 100F to
be very important. Ken Hart
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Black and white I can do myself. Only found one place in my area that can do
4x5 color, and that's at $12 a sheet. Is that typical to where everyone else
is or is that because they are really the only game in town I've found. I
don't like my negatives to be shipped. Got some lost once that showed up
almost a year later. Surprised after a while they ever showed up, but overly
ticked off they still made me pay or they were going to toss them.
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Thinking of moving back to film
From: Charlie Thorsten <charlie_thorsten@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, June 27, 2013 9:50 pm
To: "pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I can second that recommendation for North Coast Photographics. They develop
my 4x5 B&W negatives for $3.00 a sheet and they do a great job. Everything is
dip & dunk, nitrogen burst agitation, professional processing. Last time I
asked they were using Xtol for their developer.
-Charlie
From: "Grif" w. keith griffith" <kgriffit@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:57 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Thinking of moving back to film
http://www.northcoastphoto.com/
recommended by Ken Rockwell
I've had a lot of stuff (well,,, lots for me) done by them. They have a
process and scan economy service that does everything I need.
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