I *think* that's a an exact summery, yes. I vote for option 2. :) -- http://www.feline1.co.uk On Fri 24/06/11 8:28 AM , Timothy Pederick pederick@xxxxxxxxx sent: I'm seeing a fair bit of (what appears to me to be) arguing at cross-purposes. Since people said last time that my summary of the situation was helpful, I shall venture to do another one. This time, I'll just lay out the arguments that I think have been seriously proposed as people's preferred way of playing. * The "Joe Dever got it wrong" argument. * All bonuses for having Grand Weaponmastery with Bow should be +5. * All instances of +3 (and that one _ad hoc_ +4) should be changed. * The "Grand Weaponmastery is intentionally worse" argument. * The Grand Weaponmastery with Bow +3 is correct. * _Ad hoc_ +4 and +5 bonuses replace this. * +3 and +4 are worse than a loyal reader's +5, so the loyal reader gets to use their +5 at all times. * The "Grand Weaponmastery is the same as Weaponmastery" argument. * Grand Weaponmastery with Bow +3 is correct. * _Ad hoc_ +4 and +5 bonuses replace this. * A loyal reader who got the Mentora +2 (which is a subtly different bonus) can add that to Grand Weaponmastery, giving them a +5 (or _ad hoc_ +6 or +7). Correct? -- Tim Pederick