Well, the sighted users don't use the keyboard and the mouse in the same time for moving the PC cursor and the mouse cursor, so what Window Eyes is doing is not very intuitive at all.
But each one has his preferences and we are not talking about personal preferences. We are talking if it is hard or easy for GW Micro to offer a real Jaws key layout, and it seems not to be so hard. Those who like the Window Eyes layout could use that layout, and the others could use the Jaws layout and everyone would be happy.
Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Window Eyes
Octavian Rasnita wrote:"Or would it be so hard to set a pc cursor and a mouse cursor and an invisible cursor mode and let the same standard arrow keys move the mouse or the PC cursor or theinvisible cursor?"Window Eyes' two independent cursors that can be simultaneously manipulated is quite possibly its best feature. This is why you can't use Window Eyes trying to make it JFW. The multiple cursors being active at the same time allows for some really cool stuff, because you, like sighted users, have roughly the equivalence of moving with the keyboard and moving with the mouse. This, from my vantage, better emulates the process sighted users go through when using various applications, and getting us thinking along the same lines as them is important. It's important because if we minimize the differences between our perception of an application and the general public's perception of an application, than an application written for the general public will have a better chance of working for us with few to no modifications. JFW's idea of toggling between exclusive cursors seems somewhat counterintuitive to bridging this gap. But I don't want to turn this into a JFW Vs. Window Eyes thread, enjoyable as those can occasionally be. I just can't express enough, Teddy, how much you're banging your head against a brick wall if you're trying to find a way to have a screen reader that works exactly like JFW but inherits all the stability improvements, better resource handling, and other features that separate Window Eyes. I suppose I only allow myself to be so adamant, because I really get the impression that you're capable of learning. And if you did, it would empower you beyond belief, especially if the new things in Window Eyes pan out as GW Micro thinks they will. JFW6 simply will not cut it forever. And even if some revolutionary new improvement came out, you'd need to learn how to utilize it, wouldn't you? The learning process doesn't stop for any topic, and dealing with accessibility is no exception. And sometimes that process dictates moving on from what you know into what you will be better off for knowing.Jared __________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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