just a note on one point Laura, smileas far as I have been told by folks, neither jaws or WE have announced to anyone that I have talked to that they plan on supporting 64 bit OS's, why? I have no bloody clue, it seems ridiculous to me, but that's the way I have herd it, and it was intonated that Hal was going the same route, *shrug*
take care, inthane----- Original Message ----- From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Window Eyes
Wow--what a thread --I own both jaws and an older version of WE, and I tend to side a little withTeddy, while understanding the argument that window eyes enthusiasts are taking. First, a blind person needs to learn so many sets of hot keys,windows/application/screen reader and whatever else -- that it is extremelyannoying to be told to change to a new configuration just to do basic operations with a screen reader. And second, someone mentioned something about using a mouse cursor and text cursor independently in window eyes -- but how is this different from what jaws does? In fact, jaws has 3 (ormore?) cursors that can be used in scripting to jump around to wherever theuser wants, or route to wherever, so could someone more familiar with both jaws and window eyes explain what the differences are in cursor handling? I'm not a proficient window eyes user and would like to know. Or maybe I should go vista and download nvda or SAToGo...And speaking of vista, jaws currently doesn't work on the 64 bit version --does window eyes? --le----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:40 AM Subject: RE: Window EyesThe WE JAWS layout didn't "anger" me, I just found it annoying. Office 2007claims a lot of backward compatibility for keystrokes with Office 2003 and before. I find this really annoying too as partial compatibility is more confusing than no intentional compatibility at all. I also find that superfluous incompatibility for incompatibility sake is really annoying. After we put Quick Keys into JAWS, GW came out with asimilar feature but rather than using us as a model, picked a different setof keystrokes which did little more than confuse people who need to use both.I don't know, I've never been a UI guy so I'm probably full of poop on thissubject. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:34 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Window Eyes Octavian Rasnita wrote: "it could be made to work like Jaws..." As a Window Eyes user of many years who is also competent if not amazingly proficient with JFW, working like JAWS is the last thing I want Window Eyes to do. Which is exactly the point. There can be plenty of arguments made about the philosophies behind the different UI's that JFW and Window Eyes employ, but the truth is that you couldn't use Window Eyes wanting it to be JFW more than you could use JFW wanting it to be Window Eyes. This is why I frowned on the JFW keyboard layout option. ON the one hand, I totally value the ease of transition for JFW users not familiar with Window Eyes. ON the other, you really can't slap the JFW layout onto the guts of Window Eyes no matter what you do because of their fundamental differences. So the JFW layout only ends up angering people like Teddy because it really isn't a JFW layout in the sense that they want it to be. Jared __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ NOD32 3027 (20080415) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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