Re: Number of folks on the list
- From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:27:19 -0400
I very much doubt you will ever find that out. Imagine if you would, trying to
discover the number of gay computer programmers or black or even female
computer programmers. For very good reasons there is nothing compelling anyone
to qualify that sort of information.
I am a licensed Physiotherapist. Apart from my date of birth and my credentials
and of course my registration fee and continuing competency assessment I am
nothing more than a name and registration number. I don't think I even have to
specify my gender but I don't remember that for sure.
There is no registration for programmers regardless of their competency, age,
gender or other characteristics, blind, deaf, height or weight and if it ever
was required there would be such a hell of a noise made and not so much by the
blind unless it applied to them alone. Rightly so too.
The down side of that for special populations and others of course is exactly
your dilemma. Sometimes, like now, it may also be to our disadvantage but
overall that anonymity probably serves us better.
Now I guess I have drifted well off topic so should probably delete rather than
send but ...
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
DLeavens@xxxxxxx
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Number of folks on the list
> Yes, it's definitely only a starting point for learning about the
> community. What would be really ideal would be if national, or better
> yet international, statistics were available. If they are, I haven't
> been able to find them.
>
> Even most of the tests we run to try and find out "what we can" are
> done predominately on sighted folks that can't see the code. This
> sucks, but finding large groups of blind computer programmers, several
> hundred, to participate in empirical studies has been extremely
> difficult. But since we use sighted folks, we have to be really
> careful to try and have people accomplish tasks that we "think" will
> be consistent across both groups. It's tough sometimes, to say the
> least. I think as better tools get developed, and which will hopefully
> make things easier for the community over time, things will get easier
> to study too.
>
>
> And thanks Jim for looking to see what's available!
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On 10/19/07, Dale Leavens <dleavens@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> There are other lists of course with some member duplication and probably
>> several times more not on any mailing lists.My brother was a programmer for
>> four decades most of which were before the Internet, many before programmers
>> had keyboards let alone access shortcut keys.
>>
>> Then there are amateurs like me who are on lists but not really programmers.
>>
>> The numbers are a guide only but nevertheless a useful starting point.
>>
>> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
>> DLeavens@xxxxxxx
>> Skype DaleLeavens
>> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matthew2007" <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: Number of folks on the list
>>
>>
>> >I believe Andreas is asking a valid question. It would be kind of a waste to
>> > spend so much time and effort on a utility that will only help 5 people. If
>> > this is a graduate school thesis or research project or something similar,
>> > the more people he can state he is helping the better a case he can make
>> > for
>> > funding and such. I say there are hundreds of programmers that would
>> > benefit
>> > from his work and possibly hundreds more in the future that will also
>> > benefit from the development of such accessibility by his research team.
>> > C'mon guys, wink wink, nudge nudge.
>> >
>> > Matthew
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:49 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Number of folks on the list
>> >
>> >
>> >>I don't want a member list. My research lab is looking to determine
>> >> approximately how many blind computer programmers are even out there
>> >> at all. The NFB tells me it doesn't take statistics on it, neither do
>> >> equivalent organizations in england or canada.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Asking for raw membership numbers, unconnected to individuals, doesn't
>> >> seem particularly intrusive to me ...
>> >>
>> >> Andy
>> >>
>> >> On 10/19/07, John Miller <n1umj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> As it should be, when some one asks how to get a member list or
>> >>> something, I
>> >>> can only ask myself "why?" with thoughts in mind that I sure hope the
>> >>> answer
>> >>> is no.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:22 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: Number of folks on the list
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> >I do believe that information is only available to list moderators and
>> >>> >administrators.
>> >>> > JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at
>> >>> > http://www.blindcrawler.com/
>> >>> > Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon
>> >>> > server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
>> >>> > There will be more to come from Blind Crawler very soon.
>> >>> > Administrator: John Greer
>> >>> > Blind Crawler.com
>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:12 PM
>> >>> > Subject: Number of folks on the list
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Hey folks, I have a few questions about the programming blind list in
>> >>> >> general.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Does anyone know how I can determine how many folks are on the list?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Is there any way to determine the total list membership over time,
>> >>> >> like last month, 2 months ago, 1 year ago, etc?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> How long has this list been up for?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Is there a web interface that I can log into where I can find out this
>> >>> >> kind of information out on my own?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Just curious, thanks in advance!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Andy
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