Re: Number of folks on the list

Yes, it's definitely only a starting point for learning about the
community. What would be really ideal would be if national, or better
yet international, statistics were available. If they are, I haven't
been able to find them.

Even most of the tests we run to try and find out "what we can" are
done predominately on sighted folks that can't see the code. This
sucks, but finding large groups of blind computer programmers, several
hundred, to participate in empirical studies has been extremely
difficult. But since we use sighted folks, we have to be really
careful to try and have people accomplish tasks that we "think" will
be consistent across both groups. It's tough sometimes, to say the
least. I think as better tools get developed, and which will hopefully
make things easier for the community over time, things will get easier
to study too.


And thanks Jim for looking to see what's available!

Andy



On 10/19/07, Dale Leavens <dleavens@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> There are other lists of course with some member duplication and probably 
> several times more not on any mailing lists.My brother was a programmer for 
> four decades most of which were before the Internet, many before programmers 
> had keyboards let alone access shortcut keys.
>
> Then there are amateurs like me who are on lists but not really programmers.
>
> The numbers are a guide only but nevertheless a useful starting point.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> DLeavens@xxxxxxx
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew2007" <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Number of folks on the list
>
>
> >I believe Andreas is asking a valid question. It would be kind of a waste to
> > spend so much time and effort on a utility that will only help 5 people. If
> > this is a graduate school thesis or research project or something similar,
> > the more people he can state he is helping the better a case he can make for
> > funding and such. I say there are hundreds of programmers that would benefit
> > from his work and possibly hundreds more in the future that will also
> > benefit from the development of such accessibility by his research team.
> > C'mon guys, wink wink, nudge nudge.
> >
> > Matthew
> > ---- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: Number of folks on the list
> >
> >
> >>I don't want a member list. My research lab is looking to determine
> >> approximately how many blind computer programmers are even out there
> >> at all. The NFB tells me it doesn't take statistics on it, neither do
> >> equivalent organizations in england or canada.
> >>
> >>
> >> Asking for raw membership numbers, unconnected to individuals, doesn't
> >> seem particularly intrusive to me ...
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> On 10/19/07, John Miller <n1umj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> As it should be, when some one asks how to get a member list or
> >>> something, I
> >>> can only ask myself "why?" with thoughts in mind that I sure hope the
> >>> answer
> >>> is no.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:22 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Number of folks on the list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >I do believe that information is only available to list moderators and
> >>> >administrators.
> >>> > JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at
> >>> > http://www.blindcrawler.com/
> >>> > Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon
> >>> > server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
> >>> > There will be more to come from Blind Crawler very soon.
> >>> > Administrator: John Greer
> >>> > Blind Crawler.com
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:12 PM
> >>> > Subject: Number of folks on the list
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> Hey folks, I have a few questions about the programming blind list in
> >>> >> general.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Does anyone know how I can determine how many folks are on the list?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is there any way to determine the total list membership over time,
> >>> >> like last month, 2 months ago, 1 year ago, etc?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> How long has this list been up for?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is there a web interface that I can log into where I can find out this
> >>> >> kind of information out on my own?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Just curious, thanks in advance!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Andy
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