Hi, Oops. Sorry. I meant Jacob. Pointing at the wrong person. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme. NonVisualDevelopment.org: Blind people can drive computers<http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org/>. Demonstration GUI Programs: You can program GUI's while blind.<http://www.fruitbasketdemos.org/> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:38 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects Hi Korneels, Yes, but you'd have some blind dude yelling at you for saying this rather than naming what you were talking about. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme. NonVisualDevelopment.org: Blind people can drive computers<http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org/>. Demonstration GUI Programs: You can program GUI's while blind.<http://www.fruitbasketdemos.org/> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:21 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects Instead of self, you could also use something like this - but that might relate more to the playing field, the stadium, etc. since they'd all fit in with the parent-child structure of the OO representation of a soccer/football game...<smile> Suppose also since the ball would be passed from player to player, you might want to go for something like currentPlayer.kick(ball, [destinationObject]) Where the [] parameter would represent an overloaded method, and the fact that the target for the kick is an object, it could also be the goalposts, another player, the referee, etc. etc.? LOL! Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' ----- Original Message ----- From: Homme, James<mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects Hi Jacob, So the self is me then? I like that. Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme. NonVisualDevelopment.org: Blind people can drive computers<http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org/>. Demonstration GUI Programs: You can program GUI's while blind.<http://www.fruitbasketdemos.org/> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:47 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects Except that the ball is not the object making the action, so it would be more like: self.kick(ball) <smile> - think that relates to procedural approach or something - simple version is means to an end... Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' ----- Original Message ----- From: Homme, James<mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:19 PM Subject: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects Hi, I found this humorous. Understanding the Parts of VBA "Speech" If you were going to play soccer using BASIC, the instruction to kick a ball would look something like "Kick the Ball" Hey-this is how we talk! It makes sense. You have a verb (kick) and then a noun (the ball). In the BASIC code in the preceding section, you have a verb (print) and a noun (an asterisk). Life is good. Here is the problem. VBA doesn't work like this. No object-oriented language works like this. In an object-oriented language, the objects (the nouns) are most important (hence, the name: object oriented). If you are going to play soccer with VBA, the basic structure would be: Ball.Kick You have a noun-the ball. It comes first. In VBA, this is an object . Then you have the verb-to kick. It comes next. In VBA, this is a method. The basic structure of VBA is a bunch of lines of code where you have Object.Method Sorry, this is not English. If you took a romance language in high school, you will remember that they used a "noun adjective" construct, but I don't know anyone who speaks in "noun verb" when telling someone to do something. Do you talk like this? Water.Drink Food.Eat Girl.Kiss Of course not. That is why VBA is so confusing to someone who previously stepped foot in a procedural programming class. Let's carry the analogy on a bit. Imagine you walk onto a grassy field and there are five balls in front of you. There is a soccer ball, a basketball, a baseball, a bowling ball, and a tennis ball. You want to instruct the kid on your soccer team to Kick the soccer ball If you tell him kick the ball (or ball.kick ), you really aren't sure which one he will kick. Maybe he will kick the one closest to him. This could be a real problem if he is standing in front of the bowling ball. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme. 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