RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:25:02 -0400

Ah then I probably have this in my mingw install I will check I know I have
Fortran and ada but didn't know cobal was one they did that to. 

ken

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:06 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects

Try http://www.opencobol.org/ Although if it matters it translates the 
Cobal to C and compiles with GCC.
On 4/13/2011 9:50 AM, Ken Perry wrote:
> It's been a while since I played with Cobal is there a cobal for windows
> that is not ridiculously expensive. If there is I might give it a shot.
>
> ken
>
> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Homme, James
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:22 AM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects
>
> Hi Sina,
>
> I bet he didn't do it in Cobol.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
>
> Usability Services,
>
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>
> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Sina Bahram
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:16 AM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects
>
> Oh my god, and he's written it in like 10 other languages too.
>
> Do you know how sick I was of hearing about Yahtzee! Lol
>
> But it's so addictive!
>
> Take care,
>
> Sina
>
> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Ken Perry
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:38 PM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects
>
> I could also give you some really good guide lines on the game of
> Yahtzee since I have actually wrote it for Windows mobile and Windows
> and it runs on both with the same executable which was a pretty cool
> thing to pull off using c# It also had an OOP die that was used in an
> OOP dice box and the scorecard and stuff was all laid out in an object
> oriented way. I had thought of using it to do a class in OOP in fact
> that is why I was asking about the book stuff on NDN.
>
> Ken
>
> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Sina Bahram
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:26 PM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects
>
> I agree with this. I think a card game, of which there are thousands,
> might be the best because it lets you have some of that chess like feel
> in that you still have to solve representation problems. The game of
> life or monopoly would do the same thing to, but the boards are a bit
> more complicated so folks tend to abstract them out into Rules classes.
>
> Poker is probably one of the simplest after you pass things like
> 21/blackjack and so on.
>
> Take care,
>
> Sina
>
> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Ken Perry
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 10:57 PM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects
>
> Jim,
>
> I want to make a small suggestion. Your starting out with a very
> difficult problem to use OOPO to solve. The truth is there are a lot of
> ways you can do this for a chess game and none of them are really that
> good. The problem is chess is really just search tree and a state
> machine and making objects out of nouns and methods out of actions will
> not make the best of the chess games. If you're looking to learn OOP I
> would suggest a game like Monopoly or Life where you can actually have
> Objects work as they should for example you could have players on
> Monopoly, locations that have descriptions, prices, and things of the
> sort. Maybe start with a card game where you can have objects that deal
> with decks of cards and players and score cards and things of the sort.
> It's really up to you but Chess gets too complicated to fast and then
> you're not really thinking OOP your trying to decide the best method of
> figuring out who is winning which is a tougher problem then you might
think.
>
> Ken
>
> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Homme, James
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:27 PM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects
>
> Hi,
>
> If it's OK, I'd like to take this a little further. I was thinking about
> my little chess move validation project. I thought I would sit down and
> try to write out a little plan, because my book says that the nouns
> become objects, but I started to get confused when I asked myself this
> question. Do the pieces move, do the squares on the board somehow get
> pieces, or does some controller in the sky move the pieces? In the real
> world, the controller would be the player who is moving the pieces. The
> pieces can't move them selves, and all the board can do is sit there and
> have pieces on its squares. The rules would be another object, would
> they not? Oh my head.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
>
> Usability Services,
>
> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme. NonVisualDevelopment.org: Blind
> people can drive computers <http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org/>.
> Demonstration GUI Programs: You can program GUI's while blind.
> <http://www.fruitbasketdemos.org/>
>
> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Homme, James
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:20 PM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Now I Know Why I'm Having Trouble With Objects
>
> Hi,
>
> I found this humorous.
>
> Understanding the Parts of VBA "Speech"
>
> If you were going to play soccer using BASIC, the instruction to kick a
> ball would look something like
>
> "Kick the Ball"
>
> Hey-this is how we talk! It makes sense. You have a verb (kick) and then
> a noun (the ball). In the BASIC code in the preceding section, you have
> a verb
>
> (print) and a noun (an asterisk). Life is good.
>
> Here is the problem. VBA doesn't work like this. No object-oriented
> language works like this. In an object-oriented language, the objects
> (the nouns) are
>
> most important (hence, the name: object oriented). If you are going to
> play soccer with VBA, the basic structure would be:
>
> Ball.Kick
>
> You have a noun-the ball. It comes first. In VBA, this is an object
>
> . Then you have the verb-to kick. It comes next. In VBA, this is a method.
>
> The basic structure of VBA is a bunch of lines of code where you have
>
> Object.Method
>
> Sorry, this is not English. If you took a romance language in high
> school, you will remember that they used a "noun adjective" construct,
> but I don't know
>
> anyone who speaks in "noun verb" when telling someone to do something.
> Do you talk like this?
>
> Water.Drink
>
> Food.Eat
>
> Girl.Kiss
>
> Of course not. That is why VBA is so confusing to someone who previously
> stepped foot in a procedural programming class.
>
> Let's carry the analogy on a bit. Imagine you walk onto a grassy field
> and there are five balls in front of you. There is a soccer ball, a
> basketball, a
>
> baseball, a bowling ball, and a tennis ball. You want to instruct the
> kid on your soccer team to
>
> Kick the soccer ball
>
> If you tell him kick the ball (or ball.kick
>
> ), you really aren't sure which one he will kick. Maybe he will kick the
> one closest to him. This could be a real problem if he is standing in
> front of
>
> the bowling ball.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
>
> Usability Services,
>
> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme. NonVisualDevelopment.org: Blind
> people can drive computers <http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org/>.
> Demonstration GUI Programs: You can program GUI's while blind.
> <http://www.fruitbasketdemos.org/>
>
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