RE: Need tutorials of VB6

  • From: Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:18:45 +0000

I was thinking more like a Skype-ish clone.  Something like that but with an 
open protocol.  

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Coale
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:16 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6

That's something that can very easily be written using .NET. In fact, a close 
friend of mine created a whiteboard sharing application not too long ago using 
C#.

You might not necessarily hit a wall that says it can't be done, but you will 
definitely hit a wall that says "this seems too complicated to do in this 
language." If that's the case, you choose a more suitable language.

On 7/22/2011 2:13 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
> I think that my concern at the moment is limits.  If I work most of my 
> programming (for I never want to program to make money, that's the 
> administrator in me), will I eventually hit a wall and find that I want to do 
> something but can't?  Like for instance, who's ever seen a web conferencing 
> software written based off the .net framework?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:55 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>
> It's interesting C++ is marginalized as a low level language because it 
> inherited from C the support for such things as register declarations and 
> pointers that can go out of bounds (which can be useful in some contexts) and 
> even asm for getting directly to the assembly level.
> But it is a also full of all the elaborate high level constructs that get 
> messy for those who mix the high and low level stuff without knowing what 
> they are doing.
>
> I don't know about anyone else, but I'm glad there have been spinoff 
> languages that cater to different types of applications.
> Getting everyone to learn a single unified standard would be difficult and 
> perhaps wouldn't work.
> I say that because you don't know what future technologies will come along 
> and put pressure on the language lawyers to add new features to the super 
> language, and perhaps some of these would clash -- or and mess up the 
> definition and implementation of the super language.
> I speak from experience as I worked as a compiler and tool developer for C++ 
> during the years C++ was evolving.  The language kept changing so we had to 
> take a messy prototype from research and scramble to make modifications in 
> design to fix inevitable bugs.  It was interesting work that I felt 
> privileged to do, but That was a long time ago, and things have moved on.
> I am using java lately, and indeed it is a different paradigm from C++.
>
> So my vote is to keep the languages separate.
> Happy hacking.
> --le
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katherine Moss"<Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx> 
> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
>
>
> You see, that's what I don't get.  If they say (Microsoft, and 
> others), that C# is just as capable as C++ for the lower level stuff 
> if you learn the unsafe code marking technique in it, then why doesn't 
> C# support all things like MAPI, lower-level device drivers, IIS ISAPI 
> filters and extensions, and all other things that it is clearly stated 
> require C++?  I mean, if we have Microsoft and other C# sites telling 
> us that C# can do the same things, it just seems a bit silly to have 
> requirements in another language for some things, right?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:11 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>
> c++ is great for lower level. And if you -need- to make calls to win32
> (which everything just sort of wraps around anyway), you can use 
> pinvoke
> (pinvoke.net)
> On 7/22/2011 1:45 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>> I think it's just my feeling that the CLR has been around long enough 
>> that it should be ahead of everything else in the Windows OS and 
>> environment, and that lower-level languages like C++ should not have 
>> to be a requirement for certain things.  Take MAPI, for instance.  I 
>> was reading something about that as I was briefly interested in 
>> trying to help when I get good enough on the existing projects there 
>> to make open source Outlook Extensions to make it's groupware 
>> features not be reliant upon Exchange server to make them work.  Take 
>> HMailServer for instance.  The source is no longer open (though the 
>> program is still free thankfully for whatever reason), but add-ins 
>> are aloud, so why not give it some groupware abilities and have it be 
>> another alternative to Exchange server's masivity?  But my point is 
>> here that if microsoft seems to be pushing .net, then why are they 
>> still requiring certain languages for certain things?  You see, this 
>> is one of the hopeful things I want to see with Windows 8, that .net 
>> and Win32 will be peers rather than separate entities in which they 
>> can only cooperate using interop.  And talk about interop, Microsoft 
>> had intentionally made MAPI unsupportive of interop.  Why, I wonder?  
>> Sounds like a nasty marketing tactic.  I can't prove that, but that was more 
>> of an inferred thing when reading about it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> Littlefield, Tyler
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:16 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>>
>> You've explained what enhancement (since there is only 1) in terms of 
>> memory management, but you were throwing around "benafits of the CLR,"
>> when we were talking about native c++, and thus the CLR wouldn't 
>> really matter there. Oppinions are nice, but what you give generally 
>> is misguided information because you've developed some overbearing 
>> urge toward .net without any actual reasoning behind it beyond "x 
>> says it's awesome, it must be awesome."
>> On 7/22/2011 9:18 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>>> In terms of facts though, I mean, what facts?  Is not programming, 
>>> which language is better, which language offers enhancements for 
>>> which user, isn't that always going to be an opinion?  I mean, I've 
>>> been asked before to state facts regarding the .net framework's 
>>> superiority over other programming models.  How in the world am I 
>>> supposed to do that if the only real stuff out there saying that it's 
>>> better are opinions anyway?
>>> So anything I state that's better than other models, isn't that an 
>>> opinion?  And just restating what Microsoft has to say regarding 
>>> their own technology, that's kind of counterproductive, isn't it?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken 
>>> Perry
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:15 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>
>>> I know it's hard to say anything sometimes but say it anyway and 
>>> just ignore the rif raf.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>> Katherine Moss
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:19 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>
>>> I was going to say that too, but my presence tends to poison the 
>>> network, so I didn't say anything LOL.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>> Littlefield, Tyler
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:55 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>>>
>>> I recommend you don't learn vb6 if this is your first language, but 
>>> learn something that will help you and is more up-to-date. like vb.net.
>>> On 7/22/2011 7:42 AM, Chetan Sharma wrote:
>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>> I'm learning Visual Basic 6, There are number of tutorials 
>>>> available on the Internet, it is hard for me to choose good one.
>>>> Can you help me to find good one?
>>>> Because, there are many VB experts on the list and they know which 
>>>> one is better.
>>>>
>>>> With regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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