RE: Need tutorials of VB6

You see, that's what I don't get.  If they say (Microsoft, and others), that C# 
is just as capable as C++ for the lower level stuff if you learn the unsafe 
code marking technique in it, then why doesn't C# support all things like MAPI, 
lower-level device drivers, IIS ISAPI filters and extensions, and all other 
things that it is clearly stated require C++?  I mean, if we have Microsoft and 
other C# sites telling us that C# can do the same things, it just seems a bit 
silly to have requirements in another language for some things, right?

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:11 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6

c++ is great for lower level. And if you -need- to make calls to win32
(which everything just sort of wraps around anyway), you can use pinvoke
(pinvoke.net)
On 7/22/2011 1:45 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
> I think it's just my feeling that the CLR has been around long enough that it 
> should be ahead of everything else in the Windows OS and environment, and 
> that lower-level languages like C++ should not have to be a requirement for 
> certain things.  Take MAPI, for instance.  I was reading something about that 
> as I was briefly interested in trying to help when I get good enough on the 
> existing projects there to make open source Outlook Extensions to make it's 
> groupware features not be reliant upon Exchange server to make them work.  
> Take HMailServer for instance.  The source is no longer open (though the 
> program is still free thankfully for whatever reason), but add-ins are aloud, 
> so why not give it some groupware abilities and have it be another 
> alternative to Exchange server's  masivity?  But my point is here that if 
> microsoft seems to be pushing .net, then why are they still requiring certain 
> languages for certain things?  You see, this is one of the hopeful things I 
> want to see with Windows 8, that .net and Win32 will be peers rather than 
> separate entities in which they can only cooperate using interop.  And talk 
> about interop, Microsoft had intentionally made MAPI unsupportive of interop. 
>  Why, I wonder?  Sounds like a nasty marketing tactic.  I can't prove that, 
> but that was more of an inferred thing when reading about it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:16 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>
> You've explained what enhancement (since there is only 1) in terms of memory 
> management, but you were throwing around "benafits of the CLR,"
> when we were talking about native c++, and thus the CLR wouldn't really 
> matter there. Oppinions are nice, but what you give generally is misguided 
> information because you've developed some overbearing urge toward .net 
> without any actual reasoning behind it beyond "x says it's awesome, it must 
> be awesome."
> On 7/22/2011 9:18 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>> In terms of facts though, I mean, what facts?  Is not programming, which 
>> language is better, which language offers enhancements for which user, isn't 
>> that always going to be an opinion?  I mean, I've been asked before to state 
>> facts regarding the .net framework's superiority over other programming 
>> models.  How in the world am I supposed to do that if the only real stuff 
>> out there saying that it's better are opinions anyway?  So anything I state 
>> that's better than other models, isn't that an opinion?  And just restating 
>> what Microsoft has to say regarding their own technology, that's kind of 
>> counterproductive, isn't it?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:15 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
>>
>> I know it's hard to say anything sometimes but say it anyway and just ignore 
>> the rif raf.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine 
>> Moss
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:19 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
>>
>> I was going to say that too, but my presence tends to poison the network, so 
>> I didn't say anything LOL.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> Littlefield, Tyler
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:55 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
>>
>> I recommend you don't learn vb6 if this is your first language, but learn 
>> something that will help you and is more up-to-date. like vb.net.
>> On 7/22/2011 7:42 AM, Chetan Sharma wrote:
>>> Hello Friends,
>>> I'm learning Visual Basic 6, There are number of tutorials available 
>>> on the Internet, it is hard for me to choose good one.
>>> Can you help me to find good one?
>>> Because, there are many VB experts on the list and they know which 
>>> one is better.
>>>
>>> With regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>


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