Star Trek TNG meets Microsoft... "Microsoft is like a cross between the Borg and the Ferengi -- their marketing strategy comes from the Borg, and the underlying code is written by the Ferengi." (Sorry I can't remember the source of this quote, nor the exact phrasing, but you get the idea *smile*.) --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Moss" <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6 I think it's just my feeling that the CLR has been around long enough that it should be ahead of everything else in the Windows OS and environment, and that lower-level languages like C++ should not have to be a requirement for certain things. Take MAPI, for instance. I was reading something about that as I was briefly interested in trying to help when I get good enough on the existing projects there to make open source Outlook Extensions to make it's groupware features not be reliant upon Exchange server to make them work. Take HMailServer for instance. The source is no longer open (though the program is still free thankfully for whatever reason), but add-ins are aloud, so why not give it some groupware abilities and have it be another alternative to Exchange server's masivity? But my point is here that if microsoft seems to be pushing .net, then why are they still requiring certain languages for certain things? You see, this is one of the hopeful things I want to see with Windows 8, that .net and Win32 will be peers rather than separate entities in which they can only cooperate using interop. And talk about interop, Microsoft had intentionally made MAPI unsupportive of interop. Why, I wonder? Sounds like a nasty marketing tactic. I can't prove that, but that was more of an inferred thing when reading about it. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:16 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6 You've explained what enhancement (since there is only 1) in terms of memory management, but you were throwing around "benafits of the CLR," when we were talking about native c++, and thus the CLR wouldn't really matter there. Oppinions are nice, but what you give generally is misguided information because you've developed some overbearing urge toward .net without any actual reasoning behind it beyond "x says it's awesome, it must be awesome." On 7/22/2011 9:18 AM, Katherine Moss wrote: > In terms of facts though, I mean, what facts? Is not programming, which > language is better, which language offers enhancements for which user, > isn't that always going to be an opinion? I mean, I've been asked before > to state facts regarding the .net framework's superiority over other > programming models. How in the world am I supposed to do that if the only > real stuff out there saying that it's better are opinions anyway? So > anything I state that's better than other models, isn't that an opinion? > And just restating what Microsoft has to say regarding their own > technology, that's kind of counterproductive, isn't it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:15 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6 > > I know it's hard to say anything sometimes but say it anyway and just > ignore the rif raf. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine > Moss > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:19 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6 > > I was going to say that too, but my presence tends to poison the network, > so I didn't say anything LOL. > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Littlefield, Tyler > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:55 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6 > > I recommend you don't learn vb6 if this is your first language, but learn > something that will help you and is more up-to-date. like vb.net. > On 7/22/2011 7:42 AM, Chetan Sharma wrote: >> Hello Friends, >> I'm learning Visual Basic 6, There are number of tutorials available >> on the Internet, it is hard for me to choose good one. >> Can you help me to find good one? >> Because, there are many VB experts on the list and they know which >> one is better. >> >> With regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- Take care, Ty my website: http://tds-solutions.net my blog: http://tds-solutions.net/blog skype: st8amnd127 My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features! __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind