Re: Cognos Accessibility with JAWS
- From: "R. Haynie" <rhaynie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:44:56 -0400
Yes, you can copy and paste the source of the html page. I believe the
source is accessed via View/Source in IE6.
Paste it into the reply of this email and send as plain text. Unless it
is a lot of code.
Brent Neal wrote:
> Yes. I access Cognos using Windows Internet Explorer 6 because that
> is the version the state is currently using because of some other
> applications. I do not think you can get to Cognos without a
> licence. Is there more information I can give you that would help?
>
> Brent Neal
> 140 E 300 S
> Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>
> Programmer
> Phone: 801.526.9797
> Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx <mailto:bneal@xxxxxxxx>
>
>
> >>> "R. Haynie" <rhaynie@xxxxxxxxxxx> 9/28/2009 11:32 AM >>>
> Ok, so now we may be getting somewhere. Is this accessed through a
> web browser?
> If so, it might help you to take a look at the source after the page
> has been rendered. It might lead to showing what elements/components
> are used for their UI.
>
> You might want to sent the source to the list or if possible (and I
> would guess not) send a URL to us so we could look at the situation.
>
> -Rodney
>
>
> Brent Neal wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>> One key bit of information I forgot to mention it that this version
>> of Cognos is a web application. In the Hotspotclicker documentation
>> it talks about inserting JAWS scripts into the application. Will
>> Hotspotclicker work on web applications?
>>
>> Brent Neal
>> 140 E 300 S
>> Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>>
>> Programmer
>> Phone: 801.526.9797
>> Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx <mailto:bneal@xxxxxxxx>
>>
>>
>> >>> Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> 9/24/2009 10:28 AM >>>
>> Yes. It's not dependent on what JAWS sees; it blindly clicks a
>> position in its most basic form. There are safeguards, but if you
>> "defined a hotspot" with "app main window relative" positioning, you'd
>> be fine.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> "Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:14:14
>> -0600:
>>
>> >Hi Jim,
>> >Thanks for the information. I went to the hotspotclicker website
>> and read through some of the information. Do you know if this would
>> work on an icon that JAWS cannot even seem to find?
>> >
>> >Brent Neal
>> >140 E 300 S
>> >Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>> >
>> >Programmer
>> >Phone: 801.526.9797
>> >Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> 9/24/2009 9:55 AM >>>
>> >Hotspot Clicker will get you up and running in the shortest amount of
>> >time and without you having to sit in front of your favorite text
>> >editor, testing and debugging JAWS script code. <G>
>> >
>> >Borrow a pair of eyes while you position the JAWS cursor over the
>> >appropriate items. You can choose to position relative to either
>> >screen height/width or the dimentions of the application main
>> >window.
>> >
>> >"Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:41:16
>> >-0600:
>> >
>> >>With further sighted assistance I have better information.
>> >>In insertable objects there are 3 tabs. The screen comes up in the
>> default tab which is source. If the sighted user clicks on one of
>> the other tabs either data items or Toolbox than JAWS will read what
>> is in it but I cannot get JAWS to find the other tabs. This seems
>> like such a simple problem but it makes it unusable for me. It is
>> probably just because the developer did not label the tabs so that
>> JAWS knows they are there. We have the same problem with the tabs in
>> the next part of the screen which is called the Page Explorer.
>> >>Let me know if you have any other suggestions.
>> >>Thank You
>> >>
>> >>Brent Neal
>> >>140 E 300 S
>> >>Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>> >>
>> >>Programmer
>> >>Phone: 801.526.9797
>> >>Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>> Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx> 9/24/2009 12:45 AM >>>
>> >>This is going to sound flip, but have you tried Ctrl Tab ?
>> >>
>> >>Good luck
>> >>
>> >>DC
>> >>
>> >>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Brent Neal <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> The 3 icons I cannot access are actually called tabs in the
>> documentation.
>> >>> They are referred to as the Toolbox tab, Data Items tab and
>> Source tab in
>> >>> the Insertable Objects Pane.
>> >>> Is there a special way to access tabs?
>> >>>
>> >>> Brent Neal
>> >>> 140 E 300 S
>> >>> Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>> >>>
>> >>> Programmer
>> >>> Phone: 801.526.9797
>> >>> Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx> 9/23/2009 1:16 PM >>>
>> >>> Brent
>> >>>
>> >>> In cases like this, I am a great believer in making the Cognos tech
>> >>> support staff earn their keep. Web-based report-writing is too
>> >>> important a function. Cognos is too important a product;
>> >>> decisionmakers for organizations of all sizes SHOULD be considering
>> >>> accessibility in their purchasing decisions and Cognos should not be
>> >>> allowed to slide and palm all the work off on you or your IT
>> shop. You
>> >>> are basically beta-testing and intentionally or not helping them with
>> >>> necessary development work.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think the hotspot clicker idea also sounds interesting. What
>> >>> screenreader and version of JAWS are you using? I have not read all
>> >>> the wonders that JAWS 10 is supposed to work with dynamic updates of
>> >>> the screen, but I would think to look there.
>> >>>
>> >>> Keep us all posted. This is important work!
>> >>>
>> >>> DoreneC
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jim Bauer
>> <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>> Alas, I know nothing of Cognos itself, though I'll write anyway
>> with a
>> >>>> couple *helpful* bits about your problem(s):
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm sure Geoff C is composing a thesis extolling the virtues of
>> >>>> Hotspot Clicker, so I'll beat him to it. <grin>. Any time you're
>> >>>> talking about coordinate-based positioning in areas that have the
>> >>>> potential for going dynamic, it's definitely the easiest, most
>> >>>> customizable option.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are the sectioned-off elements you seek actual windows or just
>> >>>> "chunks" of information written to one large window that represents
>> >>>> the screen area?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> P.S. If you're unaware, Hotspot Clicker can be found at
>> >>>> http://www.hotspotclicker.org
>> >>>> "Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:25:21
>> >>>> -0600:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Here at work I was put on the data warehouse team because they
>> thought I
>> >>>>> could learn Cognos and create Cognos reports. So far Cognos on
>> the web has
>> >>>>> been quite accessible accept we cannot seem to get to the
>> Source, Toolbox
>> >>>>> and Data Items icons which are in the center part of the
>> screen. I had
>> >>>>> sighted assistance in labeling the icons but JAWS still does
>> not recognize
>> >>>>> them. Is there any way to get around this problem? If not I
>> will not be
>> >>>>> able to create the reports.
>> >>>>>Also the screen is divided into 3 sections and I need to find a
>> way to
>> >>>>> switch between sections. They are not frames or tables. Does
>> anyone know
>> >>>>> how to do this?
>> >>>>>Is anyone else using Cognos with JAWS?
>> >>>>>Any help will be appreciated.
>> >>>>>Thank You
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Brent Neal
>> >>>>>140 E 300 S
>> >>>>>Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Programmer
>> >>>>>Phone: 801.526.9797
>> >>>>>Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx
>> >>>>
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