Re: Cognos Accessibility with JAWS

Yes. It's not dependent on what JAWS sees; it blindly clicks a
position in its most basic form. There are safeguards, but if you
"defined a hotspot" with "app main window relative" positioning, you'd
be fine.

Jim


"Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:14:14
-0600:

>Hi Jim,
>Thanks for the information.  I went to the hotspotclicker website and read 
>through some of the information.  Do you know if this would work on an icon 
>that JAWS cannot even seem to find?  
> 
>Brent Neal
>140 E 300 S
>Salt Lake City, UT 84111
> 
>Programmer
>Phone:  801.526.9797
>Email:  bneal@xxxxxxxx 
>
>
>>>> Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> 9/24/2009 9:55 AM >>>
>Hotspot Clicker will get you up and running in the shortest amount of
>time and without you having to sit in front of your favorite text
>editor, testing and debugging JAWS script code. <G>
>
>Borrow a pair of eyes while you position the JAWS cursor over the
>appropriate items. You can choose to position relative to either
>screen height/width or the dimentions of the application main
>window.
>
>"Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:41:16
>-0600:
>
>>With further sighted assistance I have better information.
>>In insertable objects there are 3 tabs.  The screen comes up in the default 
>>tab which is source.  If the sighted user clicks on one of the other tabs 
>>either data items or Toolbox than JAWS will read what is in it but I cannot 
>>get JAWS to find the other tabs.  This seems like such a simple problem but 
>>it makes it unusable for me.  It is probably just because the developer did 
>>not label the tabs so that JAWS knows they are there.  We have the same 
>>problem with the tabs in the next part of the screen which is called the Page 
>>Explorer.
>>Let me know if you have any other suggestions.
>>Thank You   
>> 
>>Brent Neal
>>140 E 300 S
>>Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>> 
>>Programmer
>>Phone:  801.526.9797
>>Email:  bneal@xxxxxxxx 
>>
>>
>>>>> Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx> 9/24/2009 12:45 AM >>>
>>This is going to sound flip, but have you tried Ctrl Tab  ?
>>
>>Good luck
>>
>>DC
>>
>>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Brent Neal <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> The 3 icons I cannot access are actually called tabs in the documentation.
>>> They are referred to as the Toolbox tab, Data Items tab and Source tab in
>>> the Insertable Objects Pane.
>>> Is there a special way to access tabs?
>>>
>>> Brent Neal
>>> 140 E 300 S
>>> Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>>>
>>> Programmer
>>> Phone:  801.526.9797
>>> Email:  bneal@xxxxxxxx 
>>>
>>>>>> Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx> 9/23/2009 1:16 PM >>>
>>> Brent
>>>
>>> In cases like this, I am a great believer in making the Cognos tech
>>> support staff earn their keep. Web-based report-writing is too
>>> important a function. Cognos is too important a product;
>>> decisionmakers for organizations of all sizes SHOULD be considering
>>> accessibility in their purchasing decisions and Cognos should not be
>>> allowed to slide and palm all the work off on you or your IT shop. You
>>> are basically beta-testing and intentionally or not helping them with
>>> necessary development work.
>>>
>>> I think the hotspot clicker idea also sounds interesting. What
>>> screenreader and version of JAWS are you using? I have not read all
>>> the wonders that JAWS 10 is supposed to work with dynamic updates of
>>> the screen, but I would think to look there.
>>>
>>> Keep us all posted. This is important work!
>>>
>>> DoreneC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Alas, I know nothing of Cognos itself, though I'll write anyway with a
>>>> couple *helpful* bits about your problem(s):
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Geoff C is composing a thesis extolling the virtues of
>>>> Hotspot Clicker, so I'll beat him to it. <grin>. Any time you're
>>>> talking about coordinate-based positioning in areas that have the
>>>> potential for going dynamic, it's definitely the easiest, most
>>>> customizable option.
>>>>
>>>> Are the sectioned-off elements you seek actual windows or just
>>>> "chunks" of information written to one large window that represents
>>>> the screen area?
>>>>
>>>> P.S. If you're unaware, Hotspot Clicker can be found at
>>>> http://www.hotspotclicker.org 
>>>> "Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:25:21
>>>> -0600:
>>>>
>>>>>Here at work I was put on the data warehouse team because they thought I
>>>>> could learn Cognos and create Cognos reports.  So far Cognos on the web 
>>>>> has
>>>>> been quite accessible accept we cannot seem to get to the Source, Toolbox
>>>>> and Data Items icons which are in the center part of the screen.  I had
>>>>> sighted assistance in labeling the icons but JAWS still does not recognize
>>>>> them.  Is there any way to get around this problem?  If not I will not be
>>>>> able to create the reports.
>>>>>Also the screen is divided into 3 sections and I need to find a way to
>>>>> switch between sections.  They are not frames or tables.  Does anyone know
>>>>> how to do this?
>>>>>Is anyone else using Cognos with JAWS?
>>>>>Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>>Thank You
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Brent Neal
>>>>>140 E 300 S
>>>>>Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>>>>>
>>>>>Programmer
>>>>>Phone:  801.526.9797
>>>>>Email:  bneal@xxxxxxxx 
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