Re: Cognos Accessibility with JAWS
- From: "R. Haynie" <rhaynie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:32:44 -0400
Ok, so now we may be getting somewhere. Is this accessed through a web
browser?
If so, it might help you to take a look at the source after the page has
been rendered. It might lead to showing what elements/components are
used for their UI.
You might want to sent the source to the list or if possible (and I
would guess not) send a URL to us so we could look at the situation.
-Rodney
Brent Neal wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> One key bit of information I forgot to mention it that this version of
> Cognos is a web application. In the Hotspotclicker documentation it
> talks about inserting JAWS scripts into the application. Will
> Hotspotclicker work on web applications?
>
> Brent Neal
> 140 E 300 S
> Salt Lake City, UT 84111
>
> Programmer
> Phone: 801.526.9797
> Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx <mailto:bneal@xxxxxxxx>
>
>
> >>> Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> 9/24/2009 10:28 AM >>>
> Yes. It's not dependent on what JAWS sees; it blindly clicks a
> position in its most basic form. There are safeguards, but if you
> "defined a hotspot" with "app main window relative" positioning, you'd
> be fine.
>
> Jim
>
>
> "Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:14:14
> -0600:
>
> >Hi Jim,
> >Thanks for the information. I went to the hotspotclicker website and
> read through some of the information. Do you know if this would work
> on an icon that JAWS cannot even seem to find?
> >
> >Brent Neal
> >140 E 300 S
> >Salt Lake City, UT 84111
> >
> >Programmer
> >Phone: 801.526.9797
> >Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >>>> Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx> 9/24/2009 9:55 AM >>>
> >Hotspot Clicker will get you up and running in the shortest amount of
> >time and without you having to sit in front of your favorite text
> >editor, testing and debugging JAWS script code. <G>
> >
> >Borrow a pair of eyes while you position the JAWS cursor over the
> >appropriate items. You can choose to position relative to either
> >screen height/width or the dimentions of the application main
> >window.
> >
> >"Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:41:16
> >-0600:
> >
> >>With further sighted assistance I have better information.
> >>In insertable objects there are 3 tabs. The screen comes up in the
> default tab which is source. If the sighted user clicks on one of the
> other tabs either data items or Toolbox than JAWS will read what is in
> it but I cannot get JAWS to find the other tabs. This seems like such
> a simple problem but it makes it unusable for me. It is probably just
> because the developer did not label the tabs so that JAWS knows they
> are there. We have the same problem with the tabs in the next part of
> the screen which is called the Page Explorer.
> >>Let me know if you have any other suggestions.
> >>Thank You
> >>
> >>Brent Neal
> >>140 E 300 S
> >>Salt Lake City, UT 84111
> >>
> >>Programmer
> >>Phone: 801.526.9797
> >>Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx> 9/24/2009 12:45 AM >>>
> >>This is going to sound flip, but have you tried Ctrl Tab ?
> >>
> >>Good luck
> >>
> >>DC
> >>
> >>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Brent Neal <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> The 3 icons I cannot access are actually called tabs in the
> documentation.
> >>> They are referred to as the Toolbox tab, Data Items tab and Source
> tab in
> >>> the Insertable Objects Pane.
> >>> Is there a special way to access tabs?
> >>>
> >>> Brent Neal
> >>> 140 E 300 S
> >>> Salt Lake City, UT 84111
> >>>
> >>> Programmer
> >>> Phone: 801.526.9797
> >>> Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>>>> Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx> 9/23/2009 1:16 PM >>>
> >>> Brent
> >>>
> >>> In cases like this, I am a great believer in making the Cognos tech
> >>> support staff earn their keep. Web-based report-writing is too
> >>> important a function. Cognos is too important a product;
> >>> decisionmakers for organizations of all sizes SHOULD be considering
> >>> accessibility in their purchasing decisions and Cognos should not be
> >>> allowed to slide and palm all the work off on you or your IT shop. You
> >>> are basically beta-testing and intentionally or not helping them with
> >>> necessary development work.
> >>>
> >>> I think the hotspot clicker idea also sounds interesting. What
> >>> screenreader and version of JAWS are you using? I have not read all
> >>> the wonders that JAWS 10 is supposed to work with dynamic updates of
> >>> the screen, but I would think to look there.
> >>>
> >>> Keep us all posted. This is important work!
> >>>
> >>> DoreneC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>> Alas, I know nothing of Cognos itself, though I'll write anyway
> with a
> >>>> couple *helpful* bits about your problem(s):
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure Geoff C is composing a thesis extolling the virtues of
> >>>> Hotspot Clicker, so I'll beat him to it. <grin>. Any time you're
> >>>> talking about coordinate-based positioning in areas that have the
> >>>> potential for going dynamic, it's definitely the easiest, most
> >>>> customizable option.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are the sectioned-off elements you seek actual windows or just
> >>>> "chunks" of information written to one large window that represents
> >>>> the screen area?
> >>>>
> >>>> P.S. If you're unaware, Hotspot Clicker can be found at
> >>>> http://www.hotspotclicker.org
> >>>> "Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx> wrote on Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:25:21
> >>>> -0600:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Here at work I was put on the data warehouse team because they
> thought I
> >>>>> could learn Cognos and create Cognos reports. So far Cognos on
> the web has
> >>>>> been quite accessible accept we cannot seem to get to the
> Source, Toolbox
> >>>>> and Data Items icons which are in the center part of the
> screen. I had
> >>>>> sighted assistance in labeling the icons but JAWS still does not
> recognize
> >>>>> them. Is there any way to get around this problem? If not I
> will not be
> >>>>> able to create the reports.
> >>>>>Also the screen is divided into 3 sections and I need to find a
> way to
> >>>>> switch between sections. They are not frames or tables. Does
> anyone know
> >>>>> how to do this?
> >>>>>Is anyone else using Cognos with JAWS?
> >>>>>Any help will be appreciated.
> >>>>>Thank You
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Brent Neal
> >>>>>140 E 300 S
> >>>>>Salt Lake City, UT 84111
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Programmer
> >>>>>Phone: 801.526.9797
> >>>>>Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx
> >>>>
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