Wow! You did good...again.... Gman... spelling this all out, and asking the perfect first question. Question 1: Do you have a specific reason for separating your Utilities from the rest of your Program Files? When I was laying all this out for you, I was tempted to move the Utilities to the Programs Partition as a sub directory, and not share this wart... but I decided to be 100% honest. Your first question..is one I have NO answer for. First, MY definition of Utilities is something that keeps my computer running better or can fix computer problems..or..is used by all programs...sort of like the Swiss Army Knife. I consider programs like Win Rar, Win Zip and email backup programs. Tweak UI, Partition Magic, Go Back, etc. as Utilities. They help me keep my computer going and in my (sick) mind do not fall into one of the other categories for which I have created partitions. The Utilities Partition. I believe was the first specialized partition I created. I had followed the sheep and instructions and always installed my programs in my C::. Then, I had a problem and I could not get to the Utilities I needed to fix the problem, or at least research it. So, When all was said and done, I had to reinstall Windows and when it came to reinstalling the Utilities, I decided I would not put myself in that position again, and created a partition on another drive for my Utilities. As time when on, I started thinking I should not put some other things on my C: and I just left Utilities on its own. The Utilities Partition SHOULD NOT be a partition on its own. It should be in the Programs partition. By the time I realized what I had done, the die was cast so to speak. I did not want to have to reinstall those programs again, so..I left it as it was. I have even messed myself up when going to install a new Utility; When I went to install an update to WinRar, I went to Disk 2 Programs looked for a sub directory for Utilities! That was when I smacked myself in the forehead and said..I should have put the Utilities here! grrrrrrrrr! But, I was too lazy to reinstall everything..so I did not. NO EXCUSES! Now that I am moving to a new computer and have to reinstall everything, I will put the Utilities in the Programs Partition (F:) as a sub directory. Good eye and mind Mr. GMan. Thanks, Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "GMan" <gman.pctt@xxxxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Rose's Completely Simplified Organizational Method This next round of questions really boils down to only one. Under that, I have tried to explain your drive letters so anyone else interested can sing along as we go. For anyone else trying to follow this thread, I stronly suggest drawing any notes or flowcharts on a grease marker board. I kinda expect a lot of erasing/rewriting/erasing/rewriting as we go. Just take your cues from Rose as she accepts/rejects various ideas. 1. Do you have a specific reason for separating your Utilities from the rest of your Program Files? And now on with the show. :O) Computer hardware refers to the first physical hard drive as Drive 0. For our purposes, I will not be following this nomenclature. Instead, I will be refering to the first physical drive as Drive 1 while the others assume higher numbers. My reason is that we are not hardware and are too used to thinking 1-8 instead of 0-7. If a physical hard drive had been divided into more than one partition, I will refer to the first partition as A, with subsequent partitions again assuming higher letters. Therefore, the 2nd partition on the 3rd drive will be called 3-B. I have also included the current Drive letter in parenthesis so you'll be able to picture where it would show up under Windows Explorer. Hopefully, this simple system of reference will be easy enough for everyone to follow as these partitions and their purposes are changed &/or renamed/repurposed as we go. After the Drive designations and letters, I have included Total Size followed by Free Space Available indicated as TS/FSA. All amounts are approximates since I have rounded them up or down to simple integers. The present system in a nut(shell): ;O} INTERNAL DRIVES: Drive 1 1-A (C) System drive. 82/54 1-B (E) Downloaded Files 25/16 1-C EISA-Sony Restore 5/0 Drive 2 2-A (F) Programs 52/24 2-B (H) Family Projects 29/28 2-C (I) My Docs 20/8 2-D (U) Utilities 77/53 2-E (W) Web Site Related 55/44 EXTERNAL DRIVES (all connected & numbered according to their placement on a multiport firewire switchbox - pure genius) Drive 3 3-A (D) Graphics Related 65/40 3-B (S) Scrapbooking 215/52 Drive 4 4-A (G) Misc Old Back-up 298/60 Drive 5 5-A (J) List of Projects 59/55 5-B (R) Supplies, Tools, TV 175/104 Drive 6 6-A (Z) Z Back-Up Drive 280/ALL Drive 7 7-A (Y) Y Back-Up Drive 373/ALL Drive 8 8-A (X) X Back-Up Drive 373/ALL Ok, the methodology here is great and it works extremely well for Rose primarily because she is comfy with it. The main problems I see (and will attack with some of my suggestions) is that there is an awful lot of space going to waste while an excessive amount of power is being consumed (even though the external drives are not running when they're not needed). I also see too many drives being used to store things when it can be somewhat consolidated to better use the wasted space indicated previously. These are only three of the issues I will be addressing as we move through my suggestions and Rose's replies. Understand that her replies may take me in directions I have yet to consider and that the outcome of our on-list banter is far from already being decided. NOTE: The main reason we're doing this over the list is so that anyone interested can (try to) follow along to gain some ideas for their own organization system. Even so, I am still treating it as I would treat any private discussion I might have with someone on this subject. As a result, I am asking that no one but Rose and I send in anything under this thread. If anyone would like to make a suggestion, argue a point or otherwise contribute to our private thread, don't hesitate to send it in under a subject line of "Organizational Supplement". My time has become rather limited recently (and I'll be out of town from May 1st to the 4th), so I will most likely limit my focus to this thread and the Suppliment one. Peace, GMan "The only dumb questions are the ones that are never asked!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:30 AM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Rose's Completely Simplified Organizational Method Gman, First, as far as being certifiable, Thanks... finally I have a certification for something! tee hee! I am ready....... I would love to see them. I would prefer to have them up > front and be able to see how they would impact me either before or AS I am setting up the new PC. The new PC setup is going to take some work...and I knew that going into it. Right now I have to take it back and get them to get some stuff straight.... If not...they are going to get it to keep....lol! Jerry says if I am not happy, I can just take it back and go to Compaq or Gateway..or Dell..and I said..so I will have to mail it in...or we have to do the repair ourselves if they send the parts. (Not a biggie..but..Fry's does offer a five yr warranty.... and that does give me cause for thought) They sell other brands besides their own...so we shall see. This is the store where I bought the Sony.... so I know their service is ok..just slow...... I love your mind..and have over the years always admired not only your ability and willingness to help others, but with the quality of your help and heart in doing so. Rose > ----- Original Message ----- From: "GMan" <gman.pctt@xxxxxxxxx> To: "PCTechTalk FreeLists Group" <PCTechTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Rose's Completely Simplified Organizational Method Hiya Rose, Well, I've spent a good deal of time staring at your configuration (received offlist), rewriting it, contemplating and rewriting it again and have come to a number of conclusions. 1. As we all know, there's a fine line between crazy and genius. I've slowly come to the realization that you're not crazy, you're certifiable! Of course in my book, that's a GREAT thing! You've taken some of the things I often suggest for others and have FAR exceeded my own system of organization. I find the system you've been developing absolutely fascinating. Of course, the most important thing is that you're comfy with it. That means the difference between total organization and total chaos. But you're already aware of that. 2. I have no intention of telling you to change things. This is your system, so it must be set up YOUR way. However, I have numerous suggestions for you to consider (some more major than others), but suggestions is all they are. From the ideas I send your way, pick only the ones that make sense to you and the approach you take to keeping things in order. 3. In order for me to solidify my ideas & suggestions on all of this, I have more questions I need answered. Some are based on your current setup, some focus on your approach and some are focused on future considerations. Just let me know when you're ready to field them. :O) Peace, GMan "The only dumb questions are the ones that are never asked!" -- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. 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