I am amazed that 'BOTH' group moderators let off topic stuff go so long .......... Good intentions not-withstanding........ Do you supose they were counting time for their posts? Maybe even an RV or two? J. . This is the pchelpers group > with help for computers. Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.