Why cant all you who are arguing take your pathetic ramblings about counting Return Visits elsewhere. They have NOTHING at all to do will the pchelpers group. I DO NOT want to have mindless rabble entering my inbox. I have enough of that already. Perhaps you can email each other privately if you want to have a go at each other. Nigel Hunter I am amazed that 'BOTH' group moderators let off topic stuff go so long .......... Good intentions not-withstanding........ Do you supose they were counting time for their posts? Maybe even an RV or two? J. . This is the pchelpers group > with help for computers. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.574 / Virus Database: 364 - Release Date: 29/01/04 Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.