[patriots] Re: Another poster
- From: "Fred Bishop" <fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'annette rose smith'" <annette-rose-smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'andrew'" <andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 09:18:31 +0100
Oh God, another one!!
Thats bloody rich a BNPer hiding behind political correctness.
I dont know about Andrew but I saw it as a bit of verbal jousting otherwise
it would have been kept private.
As such it was allowed it to go to the group so you are entitled to a say.
The exchanges were tongue in cheek with a bit of bite. (drew blood a couple
of times Im delighted to say)
If you choose to pop your hand in with sexist remarks then you should expect
to get it slapped. You know; cant stand heat, kitchen etc.? Oh! Dear did I
really mention kitchen?
As afore said I am not a UKIPPER so the issue was about Andrews
irritatingly incessant vendetta against Farage simply wanted him to
appreciate what a mosquito is like.
I do hope I havent caused you to drop a stitch or smash a plate.
From: annette rose smith [mailto:annette-rose-smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 10 September 2014 00:19
To: Fred Bishop; andrew; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [patriots] Re: Another poster
Fred your comment "go back to your knitting " is typical of ukippers,you
certainly belong there with your M.C.P.attitude.
In the many years I have been in contact with Andrew he has always been a
gentleman and is entitled to his opinion,anyone new coming on to this list
will be short stay.
Shame on you,if you lived next door I would buy you a huge wooden spoon
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From: fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: Another poster
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 23:53:01 +0100
I see you are an expert on English democrats policies as well as UKIPs.
You really are wasted. Idiot.
From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 09 September 2014 13:24
To: Fred Bishop; 'Jack Lewis'; 'patriots@freelists';
ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
Just one short comment, then as Annette suggested, I'll leave you to
practice your conkers or whatever!
Thank you for confirming that you belong to the 'English Democrats. It
explains a lot!
You claim that you're English, yet doesn't your party claim that anyone who
lives in England and signs on the line supporting England can be regarded as
'English'?
A position which begs the question, if anyone can call themselves 'English',
what is special about the English? In fact, if anyone can be English, do
the English actually exist as a separate and special people?
Just asking, for it really is a barmy position to hold! I mean to say, if
you moved to Natal would you then be a Zulu????????????
Feel free to answer, but I won't be replying.
After all, anyone who says, "WHY the hell does it [UKIP] need a plan at this
early stage..." is not worth wasting time on lives on a different planet.
A.
On 08/09/2014 22:18, Fred Bishop wrote:
I will answer your questions as though you were an adult.
1/ "I would rather take notice of Cameron and the dozens of Tory MPs that
are crapping themselves because Farage is so ineffective."
Of course I meant what I said you failed again to pick up irony. Back to the
Play-doh Andy.
2/ The one organisation from which we hear absolutely nothing about exit
plans is UKIP.
You stated that UKIP was THE ONE organisation one is singular meaning
unique insinuating that the rest have a plan. I simply challenged you to
back up your statement with fact. FAILED again Andy.
But UKIP claims that its goal is to leave. That's why UKIP needs to have
one prepared - but it doesn't! Why?
WHY the hell does it need a plan at this early stage, they are nowhere near
a position to implement. They have stated intent, resolve, commitment, has
anyone else?
As for 'exit plans' - now you're being silly - of course the Lib/Lab/Con
party doesn't have an exit plan. They dont intend to leave.
Then why the bloody hell are you spouting off against the only one that does
intend to leave? AND why insinuate that UKIP ALONE is bereft of the exit
strategy?
PS: Are you he same Fred Bishop who stood as an English Democrat Party
candidate in this year's Euro elections - in opposition to UKIP?
Of course I am. I told you I was not a UKIPPER they are a bit too British
for my liking, Im English.
PPS: As my Mum is no longer in this world, maybe you'd take pity and ask
Santa to send me some play-doh instead
My pleasure but keep it away from heat, fire and shock whilst the kids are
about.
From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 08 September 2014 20:21
To: Fred Bishop; Jack Lewis; patriots@freelists;
ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
So you have nothing left but abuse. OK, I can live with that! It's par for
the course for Nigel's sycophantic followers, and for those of us who try to
warn about the danger of trusting in Farage it's so very familiar.
You are right to do your own research - but heaven only knows where you're
looking given the paucity of your responses.
You say:
"I would rather take notice of Cameron and the dozens of Tory MPs that are
crapping themselves because Farage is so ineffective."
I'm assuming that you didn't mean to say ineffective? Or did you? If so I
might have to agree with you :-)
Did your research go as far reading what UKIP's Deputy Leader has just
written:
"A diverse, inclusive society is good for Britain, however, we must
acknowledge when it has gone wrong and not attempt to cover up its
failings."
A glib multi-culti comment that means nothing? Where's the evidence that a
divided society is good for Britain? Does Nuttall live in an Asian
district? Did former, present and future generations vote to displace and
replace the host population? Do you agree with him?
In my book such comments are nothing more than rank appeasement!
As for 'exit plans' - now you're being silly - of course the Lib/Lab/Con
party doesn't have an exit plan, they don't intend to leave. But UKIP
claims that its goal is to leave. That's why UKIP needs to have one
prepared - but it doesn't! Why?
A.
PS:Are you he same Fred Bishop who stood as an English Democrat Party
candidate in this year's Euro elections - in opposition to UKIP?
PPS: As my Mum is no longer in this world, maybe you'd take pity and ask
Santa to send me some play-doh instead. Thanks ever so much.
On 08/09/2014 18:54, Fred Bishop wrote:
The one organisation from which we hear absolutely nothing about exit plans
is UKIP.
So all the others do. Tell me about the lib Dem exit plan, Camerons exit
plan, Milibands exit plan. What tripe!!
It wouldn't have mattered what group I suggested you would have rubbished
it! Wouldn't you?
And I would not have been alone in that either.
the fall-off in support for leaving the EU. [source the Telegraph]
Oh dear, so that is the source of your infinite knowledge?
You suggest that I listen to Richard North? So that is your other source. No
thanks I think Doug Carswell outranks him with experience and probably
intellect.
I would rather take notice of Cameron and the dozens of Tory MPs that are
crapping themselves because Farage is so ineffective.
I would rather listen to the sound of thousands of feet as former party
members and voters tramp into the UKIP camp.
I do have a problem with one that does not have one original thought in his
head, and can do nothing but quote the thoughts of others.
I prefer to put my faith in my own research rather than rely on juvenile
attempts of a thwarted political aspirant with a copy of Photoshop.
Ask your mom to get you some Play-doh for Christmas. You seem to like the
word.
From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 08 September 2014 13:13
To: Fred Bishop; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots'; 'ECG'
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
On 07/09/2014 20:03, Fred Bishop wrote:
Sarcasm is wasted, you do not seem to have the capacity to recognise it,
sorry I over shot my initial assessment.
Sorry Fred, I did recognise your sarcastic comment, but chose to ignore it.
Or maybe I thought I must be mistaken, what with you having such a superior
intellect and all that. After all sarcasm is know for being the lowest form
of wit is it not????
Explain why you used the poster of EU immigration to associate it with
Farage and afford him the prominence of foreground when he is the one
politician that has staked
his fortunes on opposing the very practice that the poster highlights.
Doh! It's already been explained to you - don't you remember Mike Green's
explanation? Maybe memory retention is a problem for you????
I never see anything from you unless it provides an opportunity to attack
Farage personally.
Tell me what Farage can actually do other than campaign at this time.
The one organisation from which we hear absolutely nothing about exit plans
is UKIP. This is an organisation dedicated to leaving the EU or so we are
told yet it has no published exit plan. It does not even have a fixed view
on how we should secure our exit, to which all of its members subscribe.
Take a look at this link -
http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/BrexitPamphlet001.pd it shows the type
of thing that Farage should have prepared years ago. After all he's not
exactly short of resources!
You admit that you have a personal grudge, I would suggest that it has
morphed into paranoia.
NO!
So UKIP have not followed your valuable expert opinion to make a full
frontal attack on Islam and ethnic minorities. Would that be tactics or an
aversion to suicide?
NO it's called appeasement!
You werent on the late Nick Griffins board of political advisers were you?
Of course I was - thought everyone knew that! See, I can sort of do sarcasm
as well!
Farage has made massive inroads into the three party stranglehold and you
seem to recommend that we drop all that and follow another reject, Mr Mike
Nattrass, into an unforeseeable timescale to Utopia.
Alternatively you put forward the Right Reverend who has the political
charisma of Obamas wife. He, unlike Mrs O is a thoroughly nice and genuine
person but with no prospect of political prominence..
You did ask for suggestions - and I did point out that, IMHO, I thought it
was probably too late for party politics. Doh! It wouldn't have mattered
what group I suggested you would have rubbished it! Wouldn't you?
Do you have proof that Farage is an establishment placeman or did that too
come from a Pershore Market Christmas Cracker?
I would have thought it self evident but I doubt I can convince a closed
mind to see that!
My advice is bet on percentages. I am not a UKIPPER but of the front runners
they are my choice.
A poor choice though not any worse than the big three, IMHO.
You put Eh??? When I suggest that politicians do not play their cards face
up. Jesus! You need that explaining, Eh???
Ooo, yes please, I's a simple soul really! [Translation - don't bother,
t'was just me metaphorically shaking my head]
You say that it is too late for salvation, (You say below: it's way past the
time when any political party will save us) so why are you making the effort
to influence political opinion?
Doh! Because in whatever time we do have left it's utterly pointless for
anyone to chase after false dreams that will get nowhere! Or are you saying
that in the time remaining UKIP really can gain sufficient political power
to truly save us??? Just a rhetorical question, no need to respond :-)
Then you go on to say; (The reason I warn about Farage is not personal
(although he's given me good reason to make it so) it's an awareness that
time is fast running out and I'm very fearful that by placing our hope in
such a flawed man is wasting precious time.) What bloody time? You said its
too bloody late!! The time has expired!!! Gone!!
Eh? I said time is fast running out????????????
My objection is to your to abuse of the privileges of group membership to
vent personal grievances that I for one am not interested in.
You miss too many golden opportunities to keep quiet .
Of course, silly me I'm rocking your boat and you don't want me to. Funny
enough, other Farage sycophants act in just the same way. The Cult of
Farage must remain inviolate. BTW, have you noticed the inverse correlation
between the apparent rise in support for Farage's dysfunctional party and
the fall-off in support for leaving the EU. [source the Telegraph]
Finally, let me leave you with this quote from Dr Richard North. A man who
is in an even better position to warn about Farage. Note particularly his
final comment - it is exactly in accord with my own:
"In conclusion The fact is that UKIP is now a really nasty party, newly
populated by a phalanx of rather unpleasant people, reinforcing those who
were already there. But this is a party in which Farage is quite at home,
where his drunkenness, sexual predation, disloyalty and thuggishness are
regarded as admirable traits. It is a party made in Farage's image, with
which he is progressively destroying the reputation of euroscepticism.
The thing is, to observe this is not "personal prejudice". It is a cold,
impersonal assessment of the reality - "impersonal prejudice", if you like,
a prejudice against a man who has wrecked the hopes of many and is almost
single-handedly destroying a once fine political party."
A.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andrew Edwards
Sent: 07 September 2014 16:49
To: Fred Bishop; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots'; 'ECG'
Subject: [patriots] Re: Another poster
On 05/09/2014 21:23, Fred Bishop wrote:
Absolutely spot on thinking Andrew.
Farage should come out and say that all Immigration should stop.
Islam needs to be stamped on.
So appeasing Muslims is OK - i.e.:
Rushing to a Mosque the day after the murder of Lee Rigby
Not once speaking out about the vile abuse of white children by, mainly,
Pakistani men
Not so as much as questioning the wisdom about the continuance of the large
number of Islamic immigrants.
When did appeasement ever, ever work?
We need to deport all those that do not contribute.
How naïve, we all saw what happened to the BNP and Griffin when they put
their faith in the common sense and understanding of the great British
people. Say it as it is and get splattered.
The prime cause of the demise of the BNP was Griffin. Ask someone such as
Andrew Brons for chapter and verse.
His supporters could not get a job and anyone that agreed with him
criminalised. The ones that own the media are the only ones that can change
public opinion overnight.
Very true and what did Farage the great democrat do -nothing! Indeed he
said that his proudest achievement was helping to destroy the BNP!
Do you think any small party can suddenly break into power by putting their
cards face up? I have been there, canvassed, lectured given presentations
all of which can be undone by one careless
word and 10 minutes from a BBC news presenter.
Of course not - but fooling ourselves into believing that yet another
establishment controlled place man
will somehow ride to our rescue is so very sad
Did the EU tell us every policy, did they let us know that it was destined
to become a dictatorship?
Did the Scots that hijacked Westminster tell us that they intended to swamp
us?
They werent that stupid so why assume Farage is.
Eh????
There is nothing in what Farage says that leads me to believe that he is in
accord with the Lib/Lab/Cons, so why lump him in the same group.
Apart from futile grandstanding Europarl what has Farage actually done to
help us out of the EU? What detailed plans has he prepared to show how
things would work after leaving the EU? Conversely he sides with the
Lib/Lab/Con on just about every aspect of political correctness!
I have asked you before---what is the alternative/ Give me guidance as to
the best way forward. Do we all dive under the bedcovers and bury our heads
shouting all is lost?
If you have not got a clue then it is best to let people that may just be
better informed have a try.
Farage is 'informed' perlease! Check out some of those who've worked
closely with him. Men such as Mike Nattrass or Richard North to name but
two.
If they fail, then that is the time to pipe up.
I'd agree with you, but we ain't got the time. Whilst you're wait for
Farage to save us, it'll be too late! As to alternatives I tend to go along
with the position that it's way past the time when any political party will
save us. As soon as one appears it is usually used/abused and cast aside!
But if you do want an alternative try looking at something like Mike
Nattrass's A.I.P. or Dr Alan Clifford's 'Safe'.
Do you have one idea in your bitter head other than to use every opportunity
to vent your frustration.
Ok, so UKIP rejected you, get over it. I am sick and tired of your constant
bitter personal outpourings
You miss no opportunity to denigrate but offer not one constructive comment.
As I said before you need to get on with your life rather than sit like a
dog behind the door waiting for the postmans hand.
You will make yourself ill.
Thankfully many who really know me know that your analysis is skewed.
Probably by your own slavish belief that Farage will one day emerge from his
PC chrysalis and hey presto all will be made well.
But hey, sticks and stone etc etc! The reason I warn about Farage is not
personal (although he's given me good reason to make it so) it's an
awareness that time is fast running out and I'm very fearful that by placing
our hope in such a flawed man is wasting precious time.
Time we don't have!
Up to you what you do next. Examine the readily available facts about
Farage (I usually say don't take my word for anything go check for yourself)
or continue to bury your head in the sand!
Your choice
A.
From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 05 September 2014 20:00
To: fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
'Patriots'; 'ECG'
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
Hi, the answer to that is simple Fred.
On 11.12.13 Farage said, in Europarl:
UKIP is not against immigration. We welcome immigration; we want
immigration.
Farage is often in the news attacking immigration from within the EU, but he
never attacks immigration from outside of the EU!
Note: Of the 532,000 people who came to Britain in the year to last
September, 244,000 of them were non-EU citizens. And being realistic, the
majority of these immigrants will be from alien cultures, ie, Pakistan,
Somalia etc, etc.
Back as far as 2006 Farage was happy to accuse Labour of racism - for
favouring Eastern European immigrants over our traditional(?) immigrants
from the third world. That is the position he still holds today. Farage is
an unashamed multi-culturalist, and his wilfully duplicitous immigration
policy is as deceitful as those of the Westminster Quislings. Like them he
likes to talk about 'balanced immigration'. Sounds good to some, but
consider this, 'balanced immigration', means the end of our own British
culture and identity. How can it not?
IMHO Farage's multiculti, pro Islam posturing, qualifies him very well for
inclusion in the poster.
There's plenty more but that's all I have time for now.
Rgds
A.
On 05/09/2014 17:45, Fred Bishop wrote:
Can I ask why Farage is on the poster as one that has actually caused the
mass influx of EU benefit claimers.
It seems strange and there must be a reason.
I think it is important that people are aware of the fact if proof can be
given that Farage has been actively involved in the influx.
It seems strange to see UKIP being associated with the Labour party and
Brown who have admitted to trolling the world to swamp England.
I think we need documentation if we are to include UKIP as a renegade
anti-English party.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 05 September 2014 14:31
To: Patriots; ECG
Subject: [patriots] Another poster
Hi All,
Here is another version of the 'Sea Wall' poster which I personally think is
the best of all.
I have to thank Andrew Edwards for the design and the extra cartoons.
Comments please.
Jack
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