[patriots] Re: Another poster
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- To: Fred Bishop <fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, 'Patriots' <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 'ECG' <ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:38:41 +0000
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From: Fred Bishop <fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/09/2014 15:19 (GMT+00:00)
To: 'Andrew Edwards'
<andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,'Patriots'
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Subject: RE: [patriots] Re: Another poster
[Translation - don't bother, t'was just me metaphorically shaking my head]
Yes I can hear it from here.
From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 08 September 2014 13:13
To: Fred Bishop; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots'; 'ECG'
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
On 07/09/2014 20:03, Fred Bishop wrote:
Sarcasm is wasted, you do not seem to have the capacity to recognise it, sorry
I over shot my initial assessment.
Sorry Fred, I did recognise your sarcastic comment, but chose to ignore it. Or
maybe I thought I must be mistaken, what with you having such a superior
intellect and all that. After all sarcasm is know for being the lowest form of
wit is it not????
Explain why you used the poster of EU immigration to associate it with Farage
and afford him the prominence of foreground when he is the one politician that
has staked
his fortunes on opposing the very practice that the poster highlights.
Doh! It's already been explained to you - don't you remember Mike Green's
explanation? Maybe memory retention is a problem for you????
I never see anything from you unless it provides an opportunity to attack
Farage personally.
Tell me what Farage can actually do other than campaign at this time.
The one organisation from which we hear absolutely nothing about exit plans is
UKIP. This is an organisation dedicated to leaving the EU – or so we are told –
yet it has no published exit plan. It does not even have a fixed view on how we
should secure our exit, to which all of its members subscribe. Take a look at
this link - http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/BrexitPamphlet001.pd it shows
the type of thing that Farage should have prepared years ago. After all he's
not exactly short of resources!
You admit that you have a personal grudge, I would suggest that it has morphed
into paranoia.
NO!
So UKIP have not followed your valuable expert opinion to make a full frontal
attack on Islam and ethnic minorities. Would that be tactics or an aversion to
suicide?
NO it's called appeasement!
You weren’t on the late Nick Griffin’s board of political advisers were you?
Of course I was - thought everyone knew that! See, I can sort of do sarcasm as
well!
Farage has made massive inroads into the three party stranglehold and you seem
to recommend that we drop all that and follow another reject, Mr Mike Nattrass,
into an unforeseeable timescale to Utopia.
Alternatively you put forward the Right Reverend who has the political charisma
of Obama’s wife. He, unlike Mrs O is a thoroughly nice and genuine person but
with no prospect of political prominence..
You did ask for suggestions - and I did point out that, IMHO, I thought it was
probably too late for party politics. Doh! It wouldn't have mattered what
group I suggested you would have rubbished it! Wouldn't you?
Do you have proof that Farage is an ‘establishment placeman’ or did that too
come from a Pershore Market Christmas Cracker?
I would have thought it self evident but I doubt I can convince a closed mind
to see that!
My advice is bet on percentages. I am not a UKIPPER but of the front runners
they are my choice.
A poor choice though not any worse than the big three, IMHO.
You put Eh??? When I suggest that politicians do not play their cards face up.
Jesus! You need that explaining, Eh???
Ooo, yes please, I's a simple soul really! [Translation - don't bother, t'was
just me metaphorically shaking my head]
You say that it is too late for salvation, (You say below: it's way past the
time when any political party will save us) so why are you making the effort to
influence political opinion?
Doh! Because in whatever time we do have left it's utterly pointless for
anyone to chase after false dreams that will get nowhere! Or are you saying
that in the time remaining UKIP really can gain sufficient political power to
truly save us??? Just a rhetorical question, no need to respond :-)
Then you go on to say; (The reason I warn about Farage is not personal
(although he's given me good reason to make it so) it's an awareness that time
is fast running out and I'm very fearful that by placing our hope in such a
flawed man is wasting precious time.) What bloody time? You said it’s too
bloody late!! The time has expired!!! Gone!!
Eh? I said time is fast running out????????????
My objection is to your to abuse of the privileges of group membership to vent
personal grievances that I for one am not interested in.
You miss too many golden opportunities to keep quiet .
Of course, silly me I'm rocking your boat and you don't want me to. Funny
enough, other Farage sycophants act in just the same way. The Cult of Farage
must remain inviolate. BTW, have you noticed the inverse correlation between
the apparent rise in support for Farage's dysfunctional party and the fall-off
in support for leaving the EU. [source the Telegraph]
Finally, let me leave you with this quote from Dr Richard North. A man who is
in an even better position to warn about Farage. Note particularly his final
comment - it is exactly in accord with my own:
"In conclusion The fact is that UKIP is now a really nasty party, newly
populated by a phalanx of rather unpleasant people, reinforcing those who were
already there. But this is a party in which Farage is quite at home, where his
drunkenness, sexual predation, disloyalty and thuggishness are regarded as
admirable traits. It is a party made in Farage's image, with which he is
progressively destroying the reputation of euroscepticism.
The thing is, to observe this is not "personal prejudice". It is a cold,
impersonal assessment of the reality - "impersonal prejudice", if you like, a
prejudice against a man who has wrecked the hopes of many and is almost
single-handedly destroying a once fine political party."
A.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andrew Edwards
Sent: 07 September 2014 16:49
To: Fred Bishop; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots'; 'ECG'
Subject: [patriots] Re: Another poster
On 05/09/2014 21:23, Fred Bishop wrote:
Absolutely spot on thinking Andrew.
Farage should come out and say that all Immigration should stop.
Islam needs to be stamped on.
So appeasing Muslims is OK - i.e.:
Rushing to a Mosque the day after the murder of Lee Rigby
Not once speaking out about the vile abuse of white children by, mainly,
Pakistani men
Not so as much as questioning the wisdom about the continuance of the large
number of Islamic immigrants.
When did appeasement ever, ever work?
We need to deport all those that do not contribute.
How naïve, we all saw what happened to the BNP and Griffin when they put their
faith in the common sense and understanding of the great British people. Say it
as it is and get splattered.
The prime cause of the demise of the BNP was Griffin. Ask someone such as
Andrew Brons for chapter and verse.
His supporters could not get a job and anyone that agreed with him
criminalised. The ones that own the media are the only ones that can change
public opinion overnight.
Very true and what did Farage the great democrat do -nothing! Indeed he said
that his proudest achievement was helping to destroy the BNP!
Do you think any small party can suddenly break into power by putting their
cards face up? I have been there, canvassed, lectured given presentations all
of which can be undone by one careless
word and 10 minutes from a BBC news presenter.
Of course not - but fooling ourselves into believing that yet another
establishment controlled place man
will somehow ride to our rescue is so very sad
Did the EU tell us every policy, did they let us know that it was destined to
become a dictatorship?
Did the Scots that hijacked Westminster tell us that they intended to swamp us?
They weren’t that stupid so why assume Farage is.
Eh????
There is nothing in what Farage says that leads me to believe that he is in
accord with the Lib/Lab/Cons, so why lump him in the same group.
Apart from futile grandstanding Europarl what has Farage actually done to help
us out of the EU? What detailed plans has he prepared to show how things would
work after leaving the EU? Conversely he sides with the Lib/Lab/Con on just
about every aspect of political correctness!
I have asked you before---what is the alternative/ Give me guidance as to the
best way forward. Do we all dive under the bedcovers and bury our heads
shouting all is lost?
If you have not got a clue then it is best to let people that may just be
better informed have a try.
Farage is 'informed' perlease! Check out some of those who've worked closely
with him. Men such as Mike Nattrass or Richard North to name but two.
If they fail, then that is the time to pipe up.
I'd agree with you, but we ain't got the time. Whilst you're wait for Farage
to save us, it'll be too late! As to alternatives I tend to go along with the
position that it's way past the time when any political party will save us. As
soon as one appears it is usually used/abused and cast aside!
But if you do want an alternative try looking at something like Mike Nattrass's
A.I.P. or Dr Alan Clifford's 'Safe'.
Do you have one idea in your bitter head other than to use every opportunity to
vent your frustration.
Ok, so UKIP rejected you, get over it. I am sick and tired of your constant
bitter personal outpourings
You miss no opportunity to denigrate but offer not one constructive comment.
As I said before you need to get on with your life rather than sit like a dog
behind the door waiting for the postman’s hand.
You will make yourself ill.
Thankfully many who really know me know that your analysis is skewed. Probably
by your own slavish belief that Farage will one day emerge from his PC
chrysalis and hey presto all will be made well.
But hey, sticks and stone etc etc! The reason I warn about Farage is not
personal (although he's given me good reason to make it so) it's an awareness
that time is fast running out and I'm very fearful that by placing our hope in
such a flawed man is wasting precious time.
Time we don't have!
Up to you what you do next. Examine the readily available facts about Farage
(I usually say don't take my word for anything go check for yourself) or
continue to bury your head in the sand!
Your choice
A.
From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 05 September 2014 20:00
To: fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots';
'ECG'
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
Hi, the answer to that is simple Fred.
On 11.12.13 Farage said, in Europarl:
“UKIP is not against immigration. We welcome immigration; we want immigration.”
Farage is often in the news attacking immigration from within the EU, but he
never attacks immigration from outside of the EU!
Note: Of the 532,000 people who came to Britain in the year to last September,
244,000 of them were non-EU citizens. And being realistic, the majority of
these immigrants will be from alien cultures, ie, Pakistan, Somalia etc, etc.
Back as far as 2006 Farage was happy to accuse Labour of racism - for favouring
Eastern European immigrants over our traditional(?) immigrants from the third
world. That is the position he still holds today. Farage is an unashamed
multi-culturalist, and his wilfully duplicitous immigration policy is as
deceitful as those of the Westminster Quislings. Like them he likes to talk
about 'balanced immigration'. Sounds good to some, but consider this,
'balanced immigration', means the end of our own British culture and identity.
How can it not?
IMHO Farage's multiculti, pro Islam posturing, qualifies him very well for
inclusion in the poster.
There's plenty more but that's all I have time for now.
Rgds
A.
On 05/09/2014 17:45, Fred Bishop wrote:
Can I ask why Farage is on the poster as one that has actually caused the mass
influx of EU benefit claimers.
It seems strange and there must be a reason.
I think it is important that people are aware of the fact if proof can be given
that Farage has been actively involved in the influx.
It seems strange to see UKIP being associated with the Labour party and Brown
who have admitted to trolling the world to swamp England.
I think we need documentation if we are to include UKIP as a renegade
anti-English party.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 05 September 2014 14:31
To: Patriots; ECG
Subject: [patriots] Another poster
Hi All,
Here is another version of the 'Sea Wall' poster which I personally think is
the best of all.
I have to thank Andrew Edwards for the design and the extra cartoons.
Comments please.
Jack
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