[patriots] Re: Another poster
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- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:13:49 +0100
TOUCHE.....
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From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Fred Bishop
Sent: 08 September 2014 16:20
To: 'Andrew Edwards';
ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots';
'ECG'
Subject: [patriots] Re: Another poster
[Translation - don't bother, t'was just me
metaphorically shaking my head]
Yes I can hear it from here.
From: Andrew Edwards
[mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 08 September 2014 13:13
To: Fred Bishop;
ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots';
'ECG'
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
On 07/09/2014 20:03, Fred Bishop wrote:
Sarcasm is wasted, you do not seem to have the
capacity to recognise it, sorry I over shot my
initial assessment.
Sorry Fred, I did recognise your sarcastic
comment, but chose to ignore it. Or maybe I
thought I must be mistaken, what with you having
such a superior intellect and all that. After all
sarcasm is know for being the lowest form of wit
is it not????
Explain why you used the poster of EU immigration
to associate it with Farage and afford him the
prominence of foreground when he is the one
politician that has staked
his fortunes on opposing the very practice that
the poster highlights.
Doh! It's already been explained to you - don't
you remember Mike Green's explanation? Maybe
memory retention is a problem for you????
I never see anything from you unless it provides
an opportunity to attack Farage personally.
Tell me what Farage can actually do other than
campaign at this time.
The one organisation from which we hear
absolutely nothing about exit plans is UKIP. This
is an organisation dedicated to leaving the EU
or so we are told yet it has no published exit
plan. It does not even have a fixed view on how we
should secure our exit, to which all of its
members subscribe. Take a look at this link -
http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/BrexitPamphl
et001.pd it shows the type of thing that Farage
should have prepared years ago. After all he's
not exactly short of resources!
You admit that you have a personal grudge, I would
suggest that it has morphed into paranoia.
NO!
So UKIP have not followed your valuable expert
opinion to make a full frontal attack on Islam and
ethnic minorities. Would that be tactics or an
aversion to suicide?
NO it's called appeasement!
You werent on the late Nick Griffins board of
political advisers were you?
Of course I was - thought everyone knew that!
See, I can sort of do sarcasm as well!
Farage has made massive inroads into the three
party stranglehold and you seem to recommend that
we drop all that and follow another reject, Mr
Mike Nattrass, into an unforeseeable timescale to
Utopia.
Alternatively you put forward the Right Reverend
who has the political charisma of Obamas wife.
He, unlike Mrs O is a thoroughly nice and genuine
person but with no prospect of political
prominence..
You did ask for suggestions - and I did point out
that, IMHO, I thought it was probably too late for
party politics. Doh! It wouldn't have mattered
what group I suggested you would have rubbished
it! Wouldn't you?
Do you have proof that Farage is an establishment
placeman or did that too come from a Pershore
Market Christmas Cracker?
I would have thought it self evident but I doubt I
can convince a closed mind to see that!
My advice is bet on percentages. I am not a
UKIPPER but of the front runners they are my
choice.
A poor choice though not any worse than the big
three, IMHO.
You put Eh??? When I suggest that politicians do
not play their cards face up. Jesus! You need that
explaining, Eh???
Ooo, yes please, I's a simple soul really!
[Translation - don't bother, t'was just me
metaphorically shaking my head]
You say that it is too late for salvation, (You
say below: it's way past the time when any
political party will save us) so why are you
making the effort to influence political opinion?
Doh! Because in whatever time we do have left
it's utterly pointless for anyone to chase after
false dreams that will get nowhere! Or are you
saying that in the time remaining UKIP really can
gain sufficient political power to truly save
us??? Just a rhetorical question, no need to
respond :-)
Then you go on to say; (The reason I warn about
Farage is not personal (although he's given me
good reason to make it so) it's an awareness that
time is fast running out and I'm very fearful that
by placing our hope in such a flawed man is
wasting precious time.) What bloody time? You said
its too bloody late!! The time has expired!!!
Gone!!
Eh? I said time is fast running out????????????
My objection is to your to abuse of the privileges
of group membership to vent personal grievances
that I for one am not interested in.
You miss too many golden opportunities to keep
quiet .
Of course, silly me I'm rocking your boat and you
don't want me to. Funny enough, other Farage
sycophants act in just the same way. The Cult of
Farage must remain inviolate. BTW, have you
noticed the inverse correlation between the
apparent rise in support for Farage's
dysfunctional party and the fall-off in support
for leaving the EU. [source the Telegraph]
Finally, let me leave you with this quote from Dr
Richard North. A man who is in an even better
position to warn about Farage. Note particularly
his final comment - it is exactly in accord with
my own:
"In conclusion The fact is that UKIP is now a
really nasty party, newly populated by a phalanx
of rather unpleasant people, reinforcing those who
were already there. But this is a party in which
Farage is quite at home, where his drunkenness,
sexual predation, disloyalty and thuggishness are
regarded as admirable traits. It is a party made
in Farage's image, with which he is progressively
destroying the reputation of euroscepticism.
The thing is, to observe this is not "personal
prejudice". It is a cold, impersonal assessment of
the reality - "impersonal prejudice", if you like,
a prejudice against a man who has wrecked the
hopes of many and is almost single-handedly
destroying a once fine political party."
A.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Andrew Edwards
Sent: 07 September 2014 16:49
To: Fred Bishop;
ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots';
'ECG'
Subject: [patriots] Re: Another poster
On 05/09/2014 21:23, Fred Bishop wrote:
Absolutely spot on thinking Andrew.
Farage should come out and say that all
Immigration should stop.
Islam needs to be stamped on.
So appeasing Muslims is OK - i.e.:
Rushing to a Mosque the day after the murder of
Lee Rigby
Not once speaking out about the vile abuse of
white children by, mainly, Pakistani men
Not so as much as questioning the wisdom about the
continuance of the large number of Islamic
immigrants.
When did appeasement ever, ever work?
We need to deport all those that do not
contribute.
How naïve, we all saw what happened to the BNP and
Griffin when they put their faith in the common
sense and understanding of the great British
people. Say it as it is and get splattered.
The prime cause of the demise of the BNP was
Griffin. Ask someone such as Andrew Brons for
chapter and verse.
His supporters could not get a job and anyone that
agreed with him criminalised. The ones that own
the media are the only ones that can change public
opinion overnight.
Very true and what did Farage the great democrat
do -nothing! Indeed he said that his proudest
achievement was helping to destroy the BNP!
Do you think any small party can suddenly break
into power by putting their cards face up? I have
been there, canvassed, lectured given
presentations all of which can be undone by one
careless
word and 10 minutes from a BBC news presenter.
Of course not - but fooling ourselves into
believing that yet another establishment
controlled place man
will somehow ride to our rescue is so very sad
Did the EU tell us every policy, did they let us
know that it was destined to become a
dictatorship?
Did the Scots that hijacked Westminster tell us
that they intended to swamp us?
They werent that stupid so why assume Farage is.
Eh????
There is nothing in what Farage says that leads me
to believe that he is in accord with the
Lib/Lab/Cons, so why lump him in the same group.
Apart from futile grandstanding Europarl what has
Farage actually done to help us out of the EU?
What detailed plans has he prepared to show how
things would work after leaving the EU?
Conversely he sides with the Lib/Lab/Con on just
about every aspect of political correctness!
I have asked you before---what is the alternative/
Give me guidance as to the best way forward. Do we
all dive under the bedcovers and bury our heads
shouting all is lost?
If you have not got a clue then it is best to let
people that may just be better informed have a
try.
Farage is 'informed' perlease! Check out some of
those who've worked closely with him. Men such as
Mike Nattrass or Richard North to name but two.
If they fail, then that is the time to pipe up.
I'd agree with you, but we ain't got the time.
Whilst you're wait for Farage to save us, it'll be
too late! As to alternatives I tend to go along
with the position that it's way past the time when
any political party will save us. As soon as one
appears it is usually used/abused and cast aside!
But if you do want an alternative try looking at
something like Mike Nattrass's A.I.P. or Dr Alan
Clifford's 'Safe'.
Do you have one idea in your bitter head other
than to use every opportunity to vent your
frustration.
Ok, so UKIP rejected you, get over it. I am sick
and tired of your constant bitter personal
outpourings
You miss no opportunity to denigrate but offer not
one constructive comment.
As I said before you need to get on with your life
rather than sit like a dog behind the door waiting
for the postmans hand.
You will make yourself ill.
Thankfully many who really know me know that your
analysis is skewed. Probably by your own slavish
belief that Farage will one day emerge from his PC
chrysalis and hey presto all will be made well.
But hey, sticks and stone etc etc! The reason I
warn about Farage is not personal (although he's
given me good reason to make it so) it's an
awareness that time is fast running out and I'm
very fearful that by placing our hope in such a
flawed man is wasting precious time.
Time we don't have!
Up to you what you do next. Examine the readily
available facts about Farage (I usually say don't
take my word for anything go check for yourself)
or continue to bury your head in the sand!
Your choice
A.
From: Andrew Edwards
[mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 05 September 2014 20:00
To: fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots';
'ECG'
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
Hi, the answer to that is simple Fred.
On 11.12.13 Farage said, in Europarl:
UKIP is not against immigration. We welcome
immigration; we want immigration.
Farage is often in the news attacking immigration
from within the EU, but he never attacks
immigration from outside of the EU!
Note: Of the 532,000 people who came to Britain
in the year to last September, 244,000 of them
were non-EU citizens. And being realistic, the
majority of these immigrants will be from alien
cultures, ie, Pakistan, Somalia etc, etc.
Back as far as 2006 Farage was happy to accuse
Labour of racism - for favouring Eastern European
immigrants over our traditional(?) immigrants from
the third world. That is the position he still
holds today. Farage is an unashamed
multi-culturalist, and his wilfully duplicitous
immigration policy is as deceitful as those of the
Westminster Quislings. Like them he likes to talk
about 'balanced immigration'. Sounds good to
some, but consider this, 'balanced immigration',
means the end of our own British culture and
identity. How can it not?
IMHO Farage's multiculti, pro Islam posturing,
qualifies him very well for inclusion in the
poster.
There's plenty more but that's all I have time for
now.
Rgds
A.
On 05/09/2014 17:45, Fred Bishop wrote:
Can I ask why Farage is on the poster as one that
has actually caused the mass influx of EU benefit
claimers.
It seems strange and there must be a reason.
I think it is important that people are aware of
the fact if proof can be given that Farage has
been actively involved in the influx.
It seems strange to see UKIP being associated with
the Labour party and Brown who have admitted to
trolling the world to swamp England.
I think we need documentation if we are to include
UKIP as a renegade anti-English party.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 05 September 2014 14:31
To: Patriots; ECG
Subject: [patriots] Another poster
Hi All,
Here is another version of the 'Sea Wall' poster
which I personally think is the best of all.
I have to thank Andrew Edwards for the design and
the extra cartoons.
Comments please.
Jack
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