[patriots] Re: Another poster
- From: annette rose smith <annette-rose-smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Fred Bishop <fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, andrew <andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 23:15:30 +0100
Fred UKIP is not the only one,the BNP had a plan long before ukip.As far as I
know UKIP don't even have a manifesto much less a plan,Farage tore the last one
up !
Don't you think all this bickering is silly and a total waste of time ?
Why don't you settle it with a game of conkers ?
Annette
From: fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: Another poster
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 22:18:40 +0100
I will answer your questions as though you were an adult.1/ "I would rather
take notice of Cameron and the dozens of Tory MPs that are crapping themselves
because Farage is so ineffective."Of course I meant what I said you failed
again to pick up irony. Back to the Play-doh Andy.2/ “The one organisation from
which we hear absolutely nothing about exit plans is UKIP.”You stated that UKIP
was ‘THE ONE organisation’ one is singular meaning ‘unique’ insinuating that
the rest have a plan. I simply challenged you to back up your statement with
fact. FAILED again Andy. But UKIP claims that its goal is to leave. That's why
UKIP needs to have one prepared - but it doesn't! Why?WHY the hell does it
need a plan at this early stage, they are nowhere near a position to implement.
They have stated intent, resolve, commitment, has anyone else?As for 'exit
plans' - now you're being silly - of course the Lib/Lab/Con party doesn't have
an exit plan. They don’t intend to leave.Then why the bloody hell are you
spouting off against the only one that does intend to leave? AND why insinuate
that UKIP ALONE is bereft of the exit strategy?PS: Are you he same Fred Bishop
who stood as an English Democrat Party candidate in this year's Euro elections
- in opposition to UKIP?Of course I am. I told you I was not a UKIPPER they are
a bit too British for my liking, I’m English. PPS: As my Mum is no longer in
this world, maybe you'd take pity and ask Santa to send me some play-doh
insteadMy pleasure but keep it away from heat, fire and shock whilst the kids
are about.
From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 08 September 2014 20:21
To: Fred Bishop; Jack Lewis; patriots@freelists; ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster So you have nothing left but abuse.
OK, I can live with that! It's par for the course for Nigel's sycophantic
followers, and for those of us who try to warn about the danger of trusting in
Farage it's so very familiar.
You are right to do your own research - but heaven only knows where you're
looking given the paucity of your responses. You say:"I would rather take
notice of Cameron and the dozens of Tory MPs that are crapping themselves
because Farage is so ineffective."
I'm assuming that you didn't mean to say ineffective? Or did you? If so I
might have to agree with you :-)
Did your research go as far reading what UKIP's Deputy Leader has just written:
"A diverse, inclusive society is good for Britain, however, we must acknowledge
when it has gone wrong and not attempt to cover up its failings."
A glib multi-culti comment that means nothing? Where's the evidence that a
divided society is good for Britain? Does Nuttall live in an Asian district?
Did former, present and future generations vote to displace and replace the
host population? Do you agree with him?
In my book such comments are nothing more than rank appeasement!
As for 'exit plans' - now you're being silly - of course the Lib/Lab/Con party
doesn't have an exit plan, they don't intend to leave. But UKIP claims that
its goal is to leave. That's why UKIP needs to have one prepared - but it
doesn't! Why?
A.
PS:Are you he same Fred Bishop who stood as an English Democrat Party candidate
in this year's Euro elections - in opposition to UKIP?
PPS: As my Mum is no longer in this world, maybe you'd take pity and ask Santa
to send me some play-doh instead. Thanks ever so much. On 08/09/2014 18:54,
Fred Bishop wrote:“The one organisation from which we hear absolutely nothing
about exit plans is UKIP.”So all the others do. Tell me about the lib Dem exit
plan, Cameron’s exit plan, Miliband’s exit plan. What tripe!!“It wouldn't have
mattered what group I suggested you would have rubbished it! Wouldn't you?”
And I would not have been alone in that either.“the fall-off in support for
leaving the EU. [source the Telegraph]”Oh dear, so that is the source of your
infinite knowledge? You suggest that I listen to Richard North? So that is your
other source. No thanks I think Doug Carswell outranks him with experience and
probably intellect. I would rather take notice of Cameron and the dozens of
Tory MPs that are crapping themselves because Farage is so ineffective. I would
rather listen to the sound of thousands of feet as former party members and
voters tramp into the UKIP camp.I do have a problem with one that does not have
one original thought in his head, and can do nothing but quote the thoughts of
others. I prefer to put my faith in my own research rather than rely on
juvenile attempts of a thwarted political aspirant with a copy of Photoshop.
Ask your mom to get you some Play-‘doh’ for Christmas. You seem to like the
word. From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 08 September 2014 13:13
To: Fred Bishop; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots'; 'ECG'
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster
On 07/09/2014 20:03, Fred Bishop wrote:Sarcasm is wasted, you do not seem to
have the capacity to recognise it, sorry I over shot my initial
assessment.Sorry Fred, I did recognise your sarcastic comment, but chose to
ignore it. Or maybe I thought I must be mistaken, what with you having such a
superior intellect and all that. After all sarcasm is know for being the
lowest form of wit is it not????
Explain why you used the poster of EU immigration to associate it with Farage
and afford him the prominence of foreground when he is the one politician that
has staked his fortunes on opposing the very practice that the poster
highlights.
Doh! It's already been explained to you - don't you remember Mike Green's
explanation? Maybe memory retention is a problem for you???? I never see
anything from you unless it provides an opportunity to attack Farage
personally.Tell me what Farage can actually do other than campaign at this
time. The one organisation from which we hear absolutely nothing about exit
plans is UKIP. This is an organisation dedicated to leaving the EU – or so we
are told – yet it has no published exit plan. It does not even have a fixed
view on how we should secure our exit, to which all of its members subscribe.
Take a look at this link -
http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/BrexitPamphlet001.pd it shows the type of
thing that Farage should have prepared years ago. After all he's not exactly
short of resources!
You admit that you have a personal grudge, I would suggest that it has morphed
into paranoia.NO!
So UKIP have not followed your valuable expert opinion to make a full frontal
attack on Islam and ethnic minorities. Would that be tactics or an aversion to
suicide?NO it's called appeasement!
You weren’t on the late Nick Griffin’s board of political advisers were you?Of
course I was - thought everyone knew that! See, I can sort of do sarcasm as
well!
Farage has made massive inroads into the three party stranglehold and you seem
to recommend that we drop all that and follow another reject, Mr Mike Nattrass,
into an unforeseeable timescale to Utopia. Alternatively you put forward the
Right Reverend who has the political charisma of Obama’s wife. He, unlike Mrs O
is a thoroughly nice and genuine person but with no prospect of political
prominence..You did ask for suggestions - and I did point out that, IMHO, I
thought it was probably too late for party politics. Doh! It wouldn't have
mattered what group I suggested you would have rubbished it! Wouldn't you?
Do you have proof that Farage is an ‘establishment placeman’ or did that too
come from a Pershore Market Christmas Cracker?I would have thought it self
evident but I doubt I can convince a closed mind to see that!
My advice is bet on percentages. I am not a UKIPPER but of the front runners
they are my choice.A poor choice though not any worse than the big three, IMHO.
You put Eh??? When I suggest that politicians do not play their cards face up.
Jesus! You need that explaining, Eh??? Ooo, yes please, I's a simple soul
really! [Translation - don't bother, t'was just me metaphorically shaking my
head]
You say that it is too late for salvation, (You say below: it's way past the
time when any political party will save us) so why are you making the effort to
influence political opinion? Doh! Because in whatever time we do have left
it's utterly pointless for anyone to chase after false dreams that will get
nowhere! Or are you saying that in the time remaining UKIP really can gain
sufficient political power to truly save us??? Just a rhetorical question, no
need to respond :-)
Then you go on to say; (The reason I warn about Farage is not personal
(although he's given me good reason to make it so) it's an awareness that time
is fast running out and I'm very fearful that by placing our hope in such a
flawed man is wasting precious time.) What bloody time? You said it’s too
bloody late!! The time has expired!!! Gone!!Eh? I said time is fast running
out????????????
My objection is to your to abuse of the privileges of group membership to vent
personal grievances that I for one am not interested in.You miss too many
golden opportunities to keep quiet .Of course, silly me I'm rocking your boat
and you don't want me to. Funny enough, other Farage sycophants act in just
the same way. The Cult of Farage must remain inviolate. BTW, have you noticed
the inverse correlation between the apparent rise in support for Farage's
dysfunctional party and the fall-off in support for leaving the EU. [source the
Telegraph]
Finally, let me leave you with this quote from Dr Richard North. A man who is
in an even better position to warn about Farage. Note particularly his final
comment - it is exactly in accord with my own:
"In conclusion The fact is that UKIP is now a really nasty party, newly
populated by a phalanx of rather unpleasant people, reinforcing those who were
already there. But this is a party in which Farage is quite at home, where his
drunkenness, sexual predation, disloyalty and thuggishness are regarded as
admirable traits. It is a party made in Farage's image, with which he is
progressively destroying the reputation of euroscepticism.
The thing is, to observe this is not "personal prejudice". It is a cold,
impersonal assessment of the reality - "impersonal prejudice", if you like, a
prejudice against a man who has wrecked the hopes of many and is almost
single-handedly destroying a once fine political party."
A.
Fred From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Edwards
Sent: 07 September 2014 16:49
To: Fred Bishop; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots'; 'ECG'
Subject: [patriots] Re: Another poster On 05/09/2014 21:23, Fred Bishop
wrote:Absolutely spot on thinking Andrew.Farage should come out and say that
all Immigration should stop.Islam needs to be stamped on.So appeasing Muslims
is OK - i.e.:
Rushing to a Mosque the day after the murder of Lee Rigby
Not once speaking out about the vile abuse of white children by, mainly,
Pakistani men
Not so as much as questioning the wisdom about the continuance of the large
number of Islamic immigrants.
When did appeasement ever, ever work?
We need to deport all those that do not contribute.How naïve, we all saw what
happened to the BNP and Griffin when they put their faith in the common sense
and understanding of the great British people. Say it as it is and get
splattered. The prime cause of the demise of the BNP was Griffin. Ask someone
such as Andrew Brons for chapter and verse.
His supporters could not get a job and anyone that agreed with him
criminalised. The ones that own the media are the only ones that can change
public opinion overnight.Very true and what did Farage the great democrat do
-nothing! Indeed he said that his proudest achievement was helping to destroy
the BNP!
Do you think any small party can suddenly break into power by putting their
cards face up? I have been there, canvassed, lectured given presentations all
of which can be undone by one careless word and 10 minutes from a BBC news
presenter.Of course not - but fooling ourselves into believing that yet another
establishment controlled place man
will somehow ride to our rescue is so very sad
Did the EU tell us every policy, did they let us know that it was destined to
become a dictatorship?Did the Scots that hijacked Westminster tell us that they
intended to swamp us?They weren’t that stupid so why assume Farage is.Eh????
There is nothing in what Farage says that leads me to believe that he is in
accord with the Lib/Lab/Cons, so why lump him in the same group.Apart from
futile grandstanding Europarl what has Farage actually done to help us out of
the EU? What detailed plans has he prepared to show how things would work after
leaving the EU? Conversely he sides with the Lib/Lab/Con on just about every
aspect of political correctness!
I have asked you before---what is the alternative/ Give me guidance as to the
best way forward. Do we all dive under the bedcovers and bury our heads
shouting all is lost?If you have not got a clue then it is best to let people
that may just be better informed have a try.Farage is 'informed' perlease!
Check out some of those who've worked closely with him. Men such as Mike
Nattrass or Richard North to name but two.
If they fail, then that is the time to pipe up.I'd agree with you, but we ain't
got the time. Whilst you're wait for Farage to save us, it'll be too late! As
to alternatives I tend to go along with the position that it's way past the
time when any political party will save us. As soon as one appears it is
usually used/abused and cast aside!
But if you do want an alternative try looking at something like Mike Nattrass's
A.I.P. or Dr Alan Clifford's 'Safe'.
Do you have one idea in your bitter head other than to use every opportunity to
vent your frustration.Ok, so UKIP rejected you, get over it. I am sick and
tired of your constant bitter personal outpourings You miss no opportunity to
denigrate but offer not one constructive comment.As I said before you need to
get on with your life rather than sit like a dog behind the door waiting for
the postman’s hand.You will make yourself ill.Thankfully many who really know
me know that your analysis is skewed. Probably by your own slavish belief that
Farage will one day emerge from his PC chrysalis and hey presto all will be
made well.
But hey, sticks and stone etc etc! The reason I warn about Farage is not
personal (although he's given me good reason to make it so) it's an awareness
that time is fast running out and I'm very fearful that by placing our hope in
such a flawed man is wasting precious time.
Time we don't have!
Up to you what you do next. Examine the readily available facts about Farage
(I usually say don't take my word for anything go check for yourself) or
continue to bury your head in the sand!
Your choice
A.
From: Andrew Edwards [mailto:andrew.edwards1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 05 September 2014 20:00
To: fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ukpatriot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Patriots';
'ECG'
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Another poster Hi, the answer to that is simple
Fred.
On 11.12.13 Farage said, in Europarl:
“UKIP is not against immigration. We welcome immigration; we want immigration.”
Farage is often in the news attacking immigration from within the EU, but he
never attacks immigration from outside of the EU!
Note: Of the 532,000 people who came to Britain in the year to last September,
244,000 of them were non-EU citizens. And being realistic, the majority of
these immigrants will be from alien cultures, ie, Pakistan, Somalia etc, etc.
Back as far as 2006 Farage was happy to accuse Labour of racism - for favouring
Eastern European immigrants over our traditional(?) immigrants from the third
world. That is the position he still holds today. Farage is an unashamed
multi-culturalist, and his wilfully duplicitous immigration policy is as
deceitful as those of the Westminster Quislings. Like them he likes to talk
about 'balanced immigration'. Sounds good to some, but consider this,
'balanced immigration', means the end of our own British culture and identity.
How can it not?
IMHO Farage's multiculti, pro Islam posturing, qualifies him very well for
inclusion in the poster.
There's plenty more but that's all I have time for now.
Rgds
A. On 05/09/2014 17:45, Fred Bishop wrote:Can I ask why Farage is on the
poster as one that has actually caused the mass influx of EU benefit
claimers.It seems strange and there must be a reason.I think it is important
that people are aware of the fact if proof can be given that Farage has been
actively involved in the influx.It seems strange to see UKIP being associated
with the Labour party and Brown who have admitted to trolling the world to
swamp England. I think we need documentation if we are to include UKIP as a
renegade anti-English party. Fred From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 05 September 2014 14:31
To: Patriots; ECG
Subject: [patriots] Another poster Hi All,
Here is another version of the 'Sea Wall' poster which I personally think is
the best of all.
I have to thank Andrew Edwards for the design and the extra cartoons.
Comments please.
Jack
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