||'It's ok to code against production as long as you don't make a mistake'. >>that moment in time after you do "rm *.dbf" >>Kinda like that feeling you get >>when your chair starts to tip over backwards You guys are killing me...so funny...so much truth...LoL. Nice comment and idea from Jared too. I believe a DBA always needs one of two things; A good backup *or* a current resume! ;o) Chris Marquez Oracle DBA -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l