I recognize this. I have felt like a pioneer in the current organization (9iR2, 10g, grid control etc) but after having moved to another = department suddenly found myself opposite to my former dba colleagues, which has = been and still is rather unpleasant when it comes to conflicting professional interests. I encountered many times a situation where I was waiting for the storage team in Kuala Lumpur to restore an RMAN backup on a server in NL in = order for me to proceed with the recovery of the database. So instead of = having the grip on the whole chain of "database -> tape" I had to rely on = others for intermediate steps. And if you ask why we did not rman backup to = tape directly I can only point to management decisions. I screwed up once in a while at dba services but have always been able = to fix it myself. Until I left the department. I learned not to take too = much dba responsibilities anymore. Kind regards, Andre v Winssen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Namens ryan_gaffuri@xxxxxxxxxxx Verzonden: woensdag 15 juni 2005 20:52 Aan: jkstill@xxxxxxxxx; nigel.tufnel1@xxxxxxxxx CC: Jared Still; Oracle-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Onderwerp: Re: OT moment of doubt Screwing up isn't that bad when you are in a position to fix it = yourself. It gets bad when you need someone else to help you with it...=20 You ever notice that when someone else screws up you don't mind helping = the person out. The only thing you hate is the constant 'I'm sorry. Please = don't kill me' coming out of the persons mouth over and over again. Then when you screw up and need someone to fix something for you, you = are the one saying 'I'm sorry. Please don't kill me'.=20 -------------- Original message --------------=20 > I neglected to give it a name, as requested.=20 > I'm really not sure what to call it.=20 -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l