I have a Southbend Colonial field cannon at 1:10 scale, in cast iron with a stainless steel liner, and it weighs a lot less than 17lbs! It still have a .600" bore though, so that I find 20-guage shotgun solid ball and wads "would be" ideal ..... but I didn't say that! <VBG> 70 grains of black powder goes well in a .577" Enfield musket, and so should be about right for this cannon of mine. Weight for weight, for similar recoil, a charge of 120 - 140 grains would be about right for a 17lb barrel, so about an inch bore perhaps? I would stay away from shotgun cartridges though, as they have different impulse / pressure curves due to their nitrocelluse based smokeless powders, unless you use a steel liner, which then becomes the barrel and chamber with the brass tubing just there for show .... Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crosskey" <chris.crosskey@xxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: new website > About a 1:4 scale model, ie 3inch to the foot... still a handy enough > caliber I'd have thought.... A 12 pounder is about a 72mm barrel bore > (rough estimate seeing as a 6-pounder is 57mm), which brings a model in > at around 18mm, so you'd be able to run shotgun cartridges in it, if you > derate the cartidges a bit (lets face it a flash, a bang and something > flies out of the end and hits a target 30 feet away is plenty from that > sort of thing surely) you should have no trouble... My dad's favourite > shotgun weighed less than six pounds so 17 lbs of brass should be able > to handle a half charge without any trouble at all..... > Chrisc MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.