Thanks, Alan, for posting the link again. I will peruse it at leisure tomorrow afternoon! Al Al, Why you gotta wait till a holiday to peruse the web site. You is retarded- - -- uhhhhh retired like me , so you have all the time in the world to check out the web site today. You will be so stuffed with turkey tomorrow that you won't be able to get close to the computer for several hours. As for me, I am still gloating over the 17 pounds of heavy wall brass tubing I bought yesterday. I may never use it, but I have kept it in this country for now. Jesse, the crazed REDNECK steam fanatic and machinist. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.