Ron, At one club that I was in, there used to be section working lights controlled via a small section of track (about 12" long) being insulated from the rest of the track (by air gaps). When the train went over this section, it would complete the circuit (rail to rail) and activate the signal controller (not fat controller......<GRIN>) to switch the lights that controlled that section to red. Upon contacting the next section (which also had a another section of "live" track) it would switch the lights over to green again. The details of how it was all set up, I can't remember...... But that's the basics of it. The only problem of this whole system (and the complete telephone exchange for the entire track), was that when the person who designed and built the system left the club, the knowledge of how it all worked went with him/her/them. Cheers, Phill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Head" <ron.head@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Track circuiting & Loctite > Hi John (and Barrie, Peter and Phil) > > I'll certainly be interested in any resistance measurements anyone is able > to take, to prove whether or not Loctite acts as an insulator. I think that > any steam loco should operate a track circuit, because there are plenty of > paths across the engine, through the axleboxes and motion, and as Phil has > pointed out, there is probably metal-to metal contact at the shoulders on > the axle on other stock. I'm still slightly sceptical though! > > The reason for the query is that my club is thinking of installing track > circuiting on our ground level circuit. Our elevated track already has > automatic signalling worked by treadles, these work fine in the open air but > I'm not sure they will like being buried in ballast! > > Regards > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Pagett" <john_pagett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 6:41 PM > Subject: [modeleng] Re: Track circuiting & Loctite > > > > Ron, > > > > As far as I know we've never had aproblem at Bromsgrove. Passenger car > > wheelsets are loctited onto their shafts ( only the 5" rails are track > > circuited and we have some 3 1/2" locos). > > > > I've got some scrap ones in the garage, so if I get chance I'll check them > > over the weekend - it's too dark & cold at the moment! > > > > Good question though! > > > > JohnP > > > >>If all of the axles and wheels in a train are assembled using Loctite, can > >>that train be relied upon to operate track circuits? > > > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > > line. > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/182 - Release Date: 24/11/2005 > > > > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. > > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.