Hi Alan Don't forget that British Railways painted quite a few of the class maroon in the late 1950's and they ran like this until withdrawn. As a young spotter, my dream was to see a red "Duchess" and I'm pleased to say that I saw at least two that I can remember - 46238 and 46243. Unlike you, I no longer have my spotting books, and I very much regret throwing them away when other interests that attract young men took over! In recent years we have been treated to the sight of the preserved 46229 in BR maroon, but this will be lost forever now as the engine is being put back to its original streamlined condition. The other "mainline" Duchess, 46233 was never a streamlined engine and carries its original LMS maroon livery. For those that prefer the BR green, there is always 46235 which is a static exhibit somewhere in Birmingham - I'm not sure exactly where as I believe it has been moved to a new location. Regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan stepney" <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: [modeleng] Re: ... New Loco > However, despite not seeing them in the LMS maroon, I think that it suits > them better than the BR green. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.