First of all, the way I parse the argument about charity, it boils down to license to indifference. By postulating some perfect world (or government) and then pointing out that reality around us doesn't match it, and therefore anything is futile or even counterproductive, we have infinite supply of reasons for not doing a thing. Compare: "What use is it to feed this man if millions will go hungry." Second, in reply to Phil Enns: > However, Eric also wants > government to try and do what charities do. Now, > either charities cannot do what they intend and > actually do, or Eric is introducing a new facet of > government. Sometimes charities can do what they intend to do and sometimes they can't. If the homeless guy on the street gets his lunch from a government agency and supper from the Salvation Army, what exactly is the problem? Yes, there is some overlap, which may imply inefficency. And it may well be the case that Salvation Army is more efficent in this case, in which case funds should be directed to SA. However this is an empirical finding, and simply that charities exits does not imply that they are effective or sufficent. Bottom line is that the guy gets to eat. Cheers, Teemu Helsinki, Finland ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html