<<Anyone know of examples of intentional self-sacrifice?>> The implication seems to be self-sacrifice to the point of death. Is that the parameter which frames the question? And I have to ask self-sacrifice of physical life? Self-sacrifice of soul? Of psyche (mental health, i.e.)? Self-sacrifice of physical well-being or physical existence? Millions of people commit acts of intentional self-sacrifice daily...are you asking strictly if there are those who allow themselves to be physically killed intentionally, for the perceived good of another? Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Sacrifice Date: 2/13/05 2:52:33 A.M. Central Standard Time From: _andreas@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: Marlena brought up the issue of sacrifice and I've been thinking about it off and on for the last few days. The fellow who dives into a river to save a stranger isn't planning on suicide or self-sacrifice; he thinks he will save the stranger. The same applies to nearly all in the military: they all think they will survive the battle and the war. If US soldiers knew they were going to certain death in Iraq, I seriously doubt the US would be able to send them. Self-sacrifice should apply only those who knowingly go to their death, such as Palestinian suicide bombers, Japanese kamikaze, Islamic jihad, and others. But it seems to me that Islamic jihadi don't kill themselves; they believe they immediately enter into paradise. Okay, we know different, but in the mind of the jihadi as he pushes the button, he isn't killing himself. I can't think of any modern intentional suicidal self-sacrifice, asides from kamikaze. As for kamikaze, I don't know enough about them to say anything about their intentions. Anyone know of examples of intentional self-sacrifice? yrs, andreas www.andreas.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html