Marlena brought up the issue of sacrifice and I've been thinking about it off and on for the last few days. The fellow who dives into a river to save a stranger isn't planning on suicide or self-sacrifice; he thinks he will save the stranger. The same applies to nearly all in the military: they all think they will survive the battle and the war. If US soldiers knew they were going to certain death in Iraq, I seriously doubt the US would be able to send them. Self-sacrifice should apply only those who knowingly go to their death, such as Palestinian suicide bombers, Japanese kamikaze, Islamic jihad, and others. But it seems to me that Islamic jihadi don't kill themselves; they believe they immediately enter into paradise. Okay, we know different, but in the mind of the jihadi as he pushes the button, he isn't killing himself. I can't think of any modern intentional suicidal self-sacrifice, asides from kamikaze. As for kamikaze, I don't know enough about them to say anything about their intentions. Anyone know of examples of intentional self-sacrifice? yrs, andreas www.andreas.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html