Lawrence Helm wrote: "The Korean incident I described had to do with my guarding three murderers awaiting court martial. They were not enemy soldiers." I wasn't referring to the prisoners, but rather your training as a Marine and rifle instructer. That is the lens through which you see all conflict. For example, you continue to equate the situation of the elderly lady with your situation in Korea as a Marine, with both of you facing the enemy. For you, the enemy, they being enemy soldiers firing at you in battle or murderers trying to escape, always have the willingness and intent to kill. This, however, is certainly not true of the vast majority of criminals. Burglers and thieves, in particular, want stuff, not confrontation and violence. This inability of yours to distinguish between the varieties of crimes is unhelpful. Lawrence continues: "Why are they coming after me?" This is precisely the sort of question one ought to ask. Obviously they were after farm stuff and had no interest in her personally. And yet she had to pop off her gun. So why is she a hero for shooting at people who, in running away, were obviously not interested in a confrontation? The answer is that she felt threatened. Again, feeling threatened isn't a justification for using a gun. As a paranoid, she is the hero of the equally paranoid. Lawrence, again: "You sound just like a Canadian, Phil." Thank you. Lawrence concludes: "Whatever I felt as a Marine or the old lady felt confronting the thieves, we were standing there with our common sense turned on, knowing that the people standing before us were our enemies. We knew that if they could, if they thought we were weak and perhaps from Canada, they would take advantage of us, take our weapons away from us and incapacitate us to some extent before running away." As a Canadian, of all the possible outcomes, the one where no one dies strikes me as being obviously ideal. Further, living in a society where the world is not divided up into the good guys vs. murderous enemies, stikes me as being a good thing. I prefer a society that is able to differentiate between violent and non-violent criminals. I prefer a society where there is not the common assumption that any confrontation likely leads to people shooting at each other. I also know that there are many communities in the US that share these 'Canadian' values, so it is a bit silly to turn this into a US vs. Canada thing. Sincerely, Phil Enns ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html