RE: bug list you want fixed
- From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:02:43 -0700
Of course none of us work for fs if we did we would not be poasting here
it would be a valuation of contact. Workers for fs are not aloud to
post here according to an email I got a little while back. =20
Hth=20
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:40 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
Bill:
I have no more connection with FS than anyone else. I just paid
attention=20
when I was talking to Mr. Damery. In almost all cases I agree with you.
Butt=20
I have to pose a question... Do any of us work for FS? If not we can't=20
really know what is going on in the programming lab. It's entirely
possible=20
that there are things happening that make it difficult or impossible for
the=20
programmers to fix all the little bugs you are naming. I'm quite sure
that=20
they are given assignments and aren't allowed to just work on what ever
they=20
think should be worked on. Perhaps before we assume that the company is=20
giving us a faulty product out of negligence we should ask someone who
knows=20
why these things aren't fixed.
Gene
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
> gene i have to truely wonder what your connection is to freedom
> scientific.
>
> based on your last message, you state that f s has some truely=20
> interesting developments in the pipe line that require a lot of=20
> programming time.
>
> First why would they tell you when in the past keeping developments is
> usually a secretive process. to guard against the competition.
>
> if they did tell you this my next question is why?
>
> whats your inside connnection.
>
> secondly they had other developments in my view that did very little
> good
> to end users of jfw.
>
> development one was that mini screen reader they developed. when it=20
> was released the version of jfw that was released around the same time
> had almost no bug fixes and very few new features.
>
>
> then version 5 was released.
>
> at the same time 5 was released they did a upgrade to majic and also=20
> rewrote jfw code so it would be more compatible with majic.
>
> 5 also lack few new features for jfw users that are not also using=20
> majic
> in
> conjunction.
>
>
> in addition 5 broke stuff that used to work.
>
> many of the bug fixes that many refer to are old features that got=20
> broke and never put back to work write.
>
>
> my point being that just because they have some thing up the streem=20
> that requires more development it does not mean its good for end users
> using jfw as a stand alone product.
>
> in addition they may release a killer new feature, like jfw 6 did with
> remote desk top but make it an extra add on price wise.
>
> what good does that do folks if it cost an extra 400 to get it and=20
> they
> can
> not afford it.
> suspect this took much of the development time for version 6.
>
> plus i no of no other application i own where a single feature ,=20
> remote desk top, requires the end user to pay 6 times as much to buy =20
> as the upgrade cost.
>
>
>
>
> that being the case 6 comes down to a progress bar thats not very well
> implemented and a skim reading feature.
>
> 6.1 has added support for the dec talk u s b.
> thats a positive.
>
>
> in know way am i suggesting they stop working on scripts for=20
> applications.
>
> this is a seperate issue but before doing so they should fix any=20
> scripts that worked in the past and make sure they work today.
>
>
> another point, prior to 4.51 release, one could use any version of jfw
> between 3 and 4.51 on their system.
>
> since the release of xp and the unified driver one can not go back to=20
> versions prior to 4.51 to get the functionality they may of had in a=20
> prior version.
>
> so for that reason f s needs to do a even better job of going back and
> correcting bugs in scripts that no longer work properly.
>
> in the past we just used an earlier version of jfw to get the desired=20
> feature, but today that no longer is an option.
>
> i suspect this is partially why this stuff has people more upset than=20
> in the past.
>
> by the way i am not against the move to have jfw work with other=20
> programs like majic.
>
> i see those that use both as blind brothers.
>
> so the quirks left behind by 5 breaking stuff did not upset me so=20
> much.
>
> but when 6 and 6.1 failled to fix some of these issues then it was a=20
> differant story. not to mention it introduced a few new bugs.
> this is my last message on this subject because its obvious to me we
will
> never see eye to eye on this.
>
> you say they do not owe us any thing, me on the other hand thinks the=20
> end user should be getting something for the money they spend on jfw.
>
> i also think that money should be spent on improving jfw and not on
> another
> product.
>
> let other products generate their own income streems for improvements.
>
>
> in addition i think the find should rate as a pretty hi priority.
>
> i will how ever continue to work on the bug list.
> saving all the messages and compiling them into a single message. then
> submit it.
>
>
>
>
>
> bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 07:52 PM 4/13/2005, you wrote:
>>There is a great difference between product feedback and giving us a=20
>>voice in the company. I was reacting to the tone of this entire=20
>>thread... that FS somehow owes us something. They don't As I stated=20
>>before, I was a programmer
>>for years and some times you have to prioritize things. Right now FS
has a
>>few new things on the horizon that require a lot of development time.
As I
>>see it they are fixing glaring crash the system bugs as fast as
possible.
>>The other smaller pain in the ass bugs will be gotten to. And yes I
agree
>>that their debugging could be better, but I don't see it as the insult
>>that
>>many on this list seem to think it is. It is simply a business
decision to
>>lower some of the bug fixes on the priority list... all be it a=20
>>questionable
>>decision.
>>
>>Gene
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>
>>
>> > interesting view you have gene on companies, glab when i called
>> > whirlpool
>> > they had a totally differant view than yours, they actually wanted
to=20
>> > no
>> > what was accessable and what was not.
>> >
>> > they even provide braille layouts.
>> >
>> > plus any feedback nnot associated with blindness that could improve
>> > their
>> > product was also well received.
>> >
>> > as far as companies abandoning public beta test, not sure where you
>> > got your info on that. please elaborate on your source.
>> > been using windows for some time now and its always in public beta.
>> > especially internet explorer.
>> > lol.
>> > m s was smart enough to include the error reporting tool for the=20
>> > reasons
>> > youmention earlier.
>> >
>> > even if no error reporting tool their is a simple way to determine=20
>> > the other info.
>> >
>> > has any body here ever reported a bug and got a e mail back from f=20
>> > s asking for more feedback.
>> > thats all it would take to get extra info.
>> > secondly if one person reports a bug on a list of thousands it
goes to
>> > the
>> > bottom, but when several report the same bug like the find not
working
>> > then
>> > they need to start looking at the issue.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > bill
>> > p s i have also done business with a company that also turned its=20
>> > head
>> > to
>> > its clients, think it was telesensory.
>> > we all know what happen their.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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