Re: bug list you want fixed
- From: <ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:19:31 -0500
Hi,
To suggest that those who spent hours trying beta after beta on our
limited free time to help F S and ourselves toward making a better product
should not try to get a product that will enhance our productivity at work
or in school is counter intuitive.
that would be to suggest that people who got those lousy tires 2
summers ago should simply not act like informed consumers.
If there were dozens of screen readers with a wider choice: and if we were
not paying significant money out of pocket for the major ones: then I guess
we should just do nothing.
Years ago a beta tester told me that they did not have to test Word if
blind people always use Word Pad orNote Pad.
I am sure that person did not speak forall.
F S has thanked individuals for good ideas as it helps make their product
which is generally excellent more sellable and our lives and computer usage
more convenient
--a debt of thanks we truly owe Ted Henter who took the risks to create a
product that changed lives.
He appreciated good ideas for darn sure.
Even Microsoft has use
ideas from individuals so please keep the good ideas coming so we have the
best most sellable product.
Please add these:
Fixing the find feature and improving "alt + left arrow on web sites.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>I feel it necessary to point out something else here. FS, or any other
> company for that matter, is not in business to employ the blind. Nor will
> they, or should they, give anyone out side the company a voice in how
> things
> are done. That is just business. We are customers, nothing more nothing
> less.
>
> Gene
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>
>
>> The problem with public beta testing in general is that very few people
>> are
>> going to go through the steps necessary to accurately report a bug.
>> Secondly, not many people know enough about the systems they use to tell
>> the
>> difference between a bug in JFW and another problem.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:17 AM
>> Subject: RE: bug list you want fixed
>>
>>
>>> The problem is here that the public beta system was out of control
>>> before. Here is what needs to be done. =20
>>> 1. a sheet listing all the known bugs and the bugs that have been
>>> fixed. This form should be cent out with a public beta mark yes if
>>> fixed no if not fixed or nt for not tested. After each user goes threw
>>> this list checking things off the beta should have a bugcila where a
>>> user can go directly to file the report feeling out the questions on
>>> said bugcela. A list that fs does monitor should be setup for and only
>>> the reporting of said bugs. A format matching that of the bug sheet
>>> should be set forth from the get go. In other words bug number your
>>> cereal number -bx where x is the number of bugs filed by that cereal
>>> number.
>>> Nature of problem=20
>>> Operating system where problem accurse. =20
>>> Complete and detailed description of problem with steps to follow to
>>> reproduce said problem. 3 strikes rule meaning if you do not follow the
>>> rules of the list in reporting bugs you are gone.
>>> Note no replies of I saw that to. This should happen on a list like
>>> this where you go first to confirm bugs. Fs should not have tomoniter
>>> this list. A tech list should be setup where you can get support one
>>> member of fs should monitor this list and provide feedback. Replies of
>>> I have this problem to can you help me should not accor on this list. A
>>> person should monitor the hole thread before replying. A three strikes
>>> rule should apply to this list also. This will one create one more job
>>> for a blind person working for fs and do not tell me they do not have
>>> the money for it. And two will make sure that the user has one support
>>> and two a voice in the company. =20
>>> Hth=20
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Gene
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:28 PM
>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>>
>>>
>>> And unfortunately this is why public beta testing is being phased out by
>>>
>>> many companies.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:44 PM
>>> Subject: RE: bug list you want fixed
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How about control+down arrow in notepad and wordpad to skip by=20
>>>> paragraphs? Jim That is not a bug but a feature request. If we are=20
>>>> going to talk about fixing problems and stability like gene said we=20
>>>> should be talking about bugs and problems. Feature is I would like=20
>>>> to have built in mirc support. A bug when I use msn when an alert=20
>>>> comes on line I am unable to read anything else tell the alert goes=20
>>>> away. =3D20 Feature I want a better sounding voice. Bug every time my
>>>> =
>>>
>>>> synthesizer sees a capital letter it gets stuck in a hire pitch. =3D20
>>>> Hth=3D20
>>>> At 02:12 AM 4/12/2005, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>please apend any bugs you want fixed to this message.
>>>>>then we can send it to f s.
>>>>>
>>>>>hmm first get snow man back to working on m s n messenger scripts.=20
>>>>>he=3D20 does a better job.
>>>>>
>>>>>add the typing sound in m s n to A O L instant messenger.
>>>>>
>>>>>fix access 32.
>>>>>
>>>>>consider adding access 32 into jfw so one has 2 choice and less=20
>>>>>hassle=3D20 installing.
>>>>>
>>>>>fix the jfw find bug in i e.
>>>>>
>>>>>fix any bugs or lack of support for features with accent s A.
>>>>>
>>>>>fix any bugs with triple talk.
>>>>>
>>>>>add a hot key and manual option for progress bar indicators.
>>>>>
>>>>>fix whole numbers so jfw can read numbers the way it did in the =
>>> old=3D20
>>>
>>>>>days.
>>>>>
>>>>>fix right application key so it gives accurate info when using=20
>>>>>virtual=3D20 p c cursor.
>>>>>
>>>>>consider adding an error reporting tool.
>>>>>
>>>>>then consider a public beta, much easier if you have an error=20
>>>>>reporting
>>>>
>>>>>tool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>then fix any bugs that the tool finds that crash jfw.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>consider adding 2 extra authorizations, so it will be five as it=20
>>>>>used=3D20 to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>consider a toggle hot key to turn flash support off and on.
>>>>>
>>>>>that would be a fix for when jfw loops in flash.
>>>>>
>>>>>fix the flash loop bug.
>>>>>
>>>>>continue improving the hot key for find same type of html link.
>>>>>
>>>>>would be great if jfw supported the braille note as a hardware synth.
>>>>>
>>>>>consider lowerring the cost on jfw pro so average folks will buy=20
>>>>>it=3D20 and remote desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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