RE: bug list you want fixed
- From: Bruce Toews <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:24:54 -0500 (CDT)
Absolutely. What I am saying is that anyone who upgraded and did not know
about the unicode change did not do their due dilligence.
Bruce
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:
> And why would some one think that would cause problems. And if it is
> such a drastic change you would think they would test in a public form
> to make sure that they could find any problems. One thing that is a big
> advantage is if you test in a public form you are going to find problems
> you did not find in the lab.=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:11 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>
>
> Sure, anyone who did their due dilligence before upgrading knew that.
> When=20
> you update, you read, you learn, you digest pieces of information like=20
> that.
>
> Bruce
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> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Gene wrote:
>
>> True... but we don't know the whole story. For instance, did anyone=20
>> know that they were now using Unicode? I didn't. And like it or not=20
>> that will make a big difference.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>
>>
>>> True, but without customers, there is no FS. Such is reality. They're
>
>>> in a business where the competition is taking a very different=20
>>> approach, an approach that is working. If FS wants to be competitive,
>
>>> they will have to think outside of the box. I'm not going to say,=20
>>> "Hmmm, with GW Micro walking the extra mile for customer service, I'm
>
>>> not going to do business with them because they don't operate within=20
>>> standard business proceedures."
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
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>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Gene wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel it necessary to point out something else here. FS, or any=20
>>>> other company for that matter, is not in business to employ the=20
>>>> blind. Nor will they, or should they, give anyone out side the=20
>>>> company a voice in how things are done. That is just business. We=20
>>>> are customers, nothing more nothing less.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The problem with public beta testing in general is that very few=20
>>>>> people are going to go through the steps necessary to accurately=20
>>>>> report a bug. Secondly, not many people know enough about the=20
>>>>> systems they use to tell the
>>>>> difference between a bug in JFW and another problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: bug list you want fixed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is here that the public beta system was out of control
>
>>>>>> before. Here is what needs to be done. =3D20 1. a sheet listing=20
>>>>>> all the known bugs and the bugs that have been fixed. This form=20
>>>>>> should be cent out with a public beta mark yes if fixed no if not=20
>>>>>> fixed or nt for not tested. After each user goes threw this list=20
>>>>>> checking things off the beta should have a bugcila where a user=20
>>>>>> can go directly to file the report feeling out the questions on=20
>>>>>> said bugcela. A list that fs does monitor should be setup for and
>
>>>>>> only the reporting of said bugs. A format matching that of the=20
>>>>>> bug sheet should be set forth from the get go. In other words bug=20
>>>>>> number your cereal number -bx where x is the number of bugs filed=20
>>>>>> by that cereal number. Nature of problem=3D20
>>>>>> Operating system where problem accurse. =3D20
>>>>>> Complete and detailed description of problem with steps to follow
> to
>>>>>> reproduce said problem. 3 strikes rule meaning if you do not
> follow
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> rules of the list in reporting bugs you are gone.
>>>>>> Note no replies of I saw that to. This should happen on a list
> like
>>>>>> this where you go first to confirm bugs. Fs should not have
> tomoniter
>>>>>> this list. A tech list should be setup where you can get support
> one
>>>>>> member of fs should monitor this list and provide feedback.
> Replies
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> I have this problem to can you help me should not accor on this
> list.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> person should monitor the hole thread before replying. A three
> strikes
>>>>>> rule should apply to this list also. This will one create one
> more job
>>>>>> for a blind person working for fs and do not tell me they do not
> have
>>>>>> the money for it. And two will make sure that the user has one
> support
>>>>>> and two a voice in the company. =3D20
>>>>>> Hth=3D20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gene
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:28 PM
>>>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And unfortunately this is why public beta testing is being phased=20
>>>>>> out by
>>>>>>
>>>>>> many companies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>>>>>> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:44 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: bug list you want fixed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about control+down arrow in notepad and wordpad to skip =
> by=3D20
>
>>>>>>> paragraphs? Jim That is not a bug but a feature request. If we=20
>>>>>>> are=3D20 going to talk about fixing problems and stability like=20
>>>>>>> gene said we=3D20 should be talking about bugs and problems. =20
>>>>>>> Feature is I would like=3D20 to have built in mirc support. A =
> bug
>
>>>>>>> when I use msn when an alert=3D20 comes on line I am unable to =
> read
>
>>>>>>> anything else tell the alert goes=3D20 away. =3D3D20 Feature I =
> want a
>
>>>>>>> better sounding voice. Bug every time my =3D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> synthesizer sees a capital letter it gets stuck in a hire pitch.=20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20 Hth=3D3D20 At 02:12 AM 4/12/2005, you wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> please apend any bugs you want fixed to this message. then we=20
>>>>>>>> can send it to f s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hmm first get snow man back to working on m s n messenger=20
>>>>>>>> scripts.=3D20 he=3D3D20 does a better job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> add the typing sound in m s n to A O L instant messenger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix access 32.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider adding access 32 into jfw so one has 2 choice and=20
>>>>>>>> less=3D20 hassle=3D3D20 installing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix the jfw find bug in i e.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix any bugs or lack of support for features with accent s A.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix any bugs with triple talk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> add a hot key and manual option for progress bar indicators.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix whole numbers so jfw can read numbers the way it did in the=20
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>> old=3D3D20
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix right application key so it gives accurate info when=20
>>>>>>>> using=3D20 virtual=3D3D20 p c cursor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider adding an error reporting tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then consider a public beta, much easier if you have an =
> error=3D20
>
>>>>>>>> reporting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then fix any bugs that the tool finds that crash jfw.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider adding 2 extra authorizations, so it will be five as=20
>>>>>>>> it=3D20 used=3D3D20 to be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider a toggle hot key to turn flash support off and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that would be a fix for when jfw loops in flash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix the flash loop bug.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> continue improving the hot key for find same type of html link.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be great if jfw supported the braille note as a hardware=20
>>>>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider lowerring the cost on jfw pro so average folks will=20
>>>>>>>> buy=3D20 it=3D3D20 and remote desktop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bill
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