RE: bug list you want fixed

True but how would they know it might cause a problem.  They would not.
If there was a beta people would have downloaded it found the problem
and fs would have fixed it. =20

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bruce Toews
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:25 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: bug list you want fixed


Absolutely. What I am saying is that anyone who upgraded and did not
know=20
about the unicode change did not do their due dilligence.

Bruce

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:

> And why would some one think that would cause problems.  And if it is=20
> such a drastic change you would think they would test in a public form

> to make sure that they could find any problems.  One thing that is a=20
> big advantage is if you test in a public form you are going to find=20
> problems you did not find in the lab.=3D20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20
> Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:11 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>
>
> Sure, anyone who did their due dilligence before upgrading knew that.=20
> When=3D20 you update, you read, you learn, you digest pieces of=20
> information like=3D20 that.
>
> Bruce
>
> --=3D20
> Bruce Toews
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> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Gene wrote:
>
>> True... but we don't know the whole story. For instance, did=20
>> anyone=3D20 know that they were now using Unicode? I didn't. And like =

>> it or not=3D20 that will make a big difference.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bruce Toews" <water_drinker@xxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>
>>
>>> True, but without customers, there is no FS. Such is reality.=20
>>> They're
>
>>> in a business where the competition is taking a very different=3D20=20
>>> approach, an approach that is working. If FS wants to be=20
>>> competitive,
>
>>> they will have to think outside of the box. I'm not going to =
say,=3D20

>>> "Hmmm, with GW Micro walking the extra mile for customer service,=20
>>> I'm
>
>>> not going to do business with them because they don't operate=20
>>> within=3D20 standard business proceedures."
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> --
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>>> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: water_drinker@xxxxxxxx Web Site=20
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>>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Gene wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel it necessary to point out something else here. FS, or =
any=3D20

>>>> other company for that matter, is not in business to employ =
the=3D20=20
>>>> blind. Nor will they, or should they, give anyone out side the=3D20 =

>>>> company a voice in how things are done. That is just business.=20
>>>> We=3D20 are customers, nothing more nothing less.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Gene" <guystevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The problem with public beta testing in general is that very=20
>>>>> few=3D20 people are going to go through the steps necessary to=20
>>>>> accurately=3D20 report a bug. Secondly, not many people know =
enough=20
>>>>> about the=3D20 systems they use to tell the difference between a =
bug

>>>>> in JFW and another problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: bug list you want fixed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is here that the public beta system was out of=20
>>>>>> control
>
>>>>>> before.  Here is what needs to be done. =3D3D20 1.  a sheet=20
>>>>>> listing=3D20 all the known bugs and the bugs that have been =
fixed.

>>>>>> This form=3D20 should be cent out with a public beta mark yes if=20
>>>>>> fixed no if not=3D20 fixed or nt for not tested.  After each user =

>>>>>> goes threw this list=3D20 checking things off the beta should =
have=20
>>>>>> a bugcila where a user=3D20 can go directly to file the report=20
>>>>>> feeling out the questions on=3D20 said bugcela.  A list that fs=20
>>>>>> does monitor should be setup for and
>
>>>>>> only the reporting of said bugs.  A format matching that of=20
>>>>>> the=3D20 bug sheet should be set forth from the get go. In other=20
>>>>>> words bug=3D20 number your cereal number -bx where x is the =
number=20
>>>>>> of bugs filed=3D20 by that cereal number. Nature of =
problem=3D3D20=20
>>>>>> Operating system where problem accurse. =3D3D20 Complete and=20
>>>>>> detailed description of problem with steps to follow
> to
>>>>>> reproduce said problem.  3 strikes rule meaning if you do not
> follow
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> rules of the list in reporting bugs you are gone.
>>>>>> Note no replies of I saw that to.  This should happen on a list
> like
>>>>>> this where you go first to confirm bugs. Fs should not have
> tomoniter
>>>>>> this list.  A tech list should be setup where you can get support
> one
>>>>>> member of fs should monitor this list and provide feedback.
> Replies
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> I have this problem to can you help me should not accor on this
> list.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> person should monitor the hole thread before replying.  A three
> strikes
>>>>>> rule should apply to this list also.  This will one create one
> more job
>>>>>> for a blind person working for fs and do not tell me they do not
> have
>>>>>> the money for it.  And two will make sure that the user has one
> support
>>>>>> and two a voice in the company. =3D3D20
>>>>>> Hth=3D3D20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
>>>>>> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Gene
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:28 PM
>>>>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: bug list you want fixed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And unfortunately this is why public beta testing is being=20
>>>>>> phased=3D20 out by
>>>>>>
>>>>>> many companies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=3D3D20
>>>>>> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:44 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: bug list you want fixed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about control+down arrow in notepad and wordpad to skip =3D
> by=3D3D20
>
>>>>>>> paragraphs? Jim That is not a bug but a feature request.  If=20
>>>>>>> we=3D20 are=3D3D20 going to talk about fixing problems and =
stability

>>>>>>> like=3D20 gene said we=3D3D20 should be talking about bugs and=20
>>>>>>> problems. =3D20 Feature is  I would like=3D3D20 to have built in =

>>>>>>> mirc support.  A =3D
> bug
>
>>>>>>> when I use msn when an alert=3D3D20 comes on line I am unable to =
=3D
> read
>
>>>>>>> anything else tell the alert goes=3D3D20 away. =3D3D3D20 Feature =
I =3D
> want a
>
>>>>>>> better sounding voice.  Bug every time my =3D3D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> synthesizer sees a capital letter it gets stuck in a hire=20
>>>>>>> pitch.=3D20 =3D3D3D20 Hth=3D3D3D20 At 02:12 AM 4/12/2005, you =
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> please apend any bugs you want fixed to this message. then=20
>>>>>>>> we=3D20 can send it to f s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hmm first get  snow man back to working on m s n messenger=3D20 =

>>>>>>>> scripts.=3D3D20 he=3D3D3D20 does a better job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> add the typing sound in m s n to A O L instant messenger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix access 32.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider adding access 32 into jfw so one has 2 choice and=3D20 =

>>>>>>>> less=3D3D20 hassle=3D3D3D20 installing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix the jfw find  bug in i e.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix any bugs or lack of support for features with accent s A.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix any bugs with triple talk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> add a hot key and manual option for progress bar indicators.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix whole numbers so jfw can read numbers the way it did in=20
>>>>>>>> the=3D20 =3D3D
>>>>>> old=3D3D3D20
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix right application key so it gives accurate info when=3D20=20
>>>>>>>> using=3D3D20 virtual=3D3D3D20 p c cursor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider adding an error reporting tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then consider a public beta, much easier if you have an =3D
> error=3D3D20
>
>>>>>>>> reporting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then fix any bugs that the tool finds that crash jfw.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider adding 2 extra authorizations, so it will be five=20
>>>>>>>> as=3D20 it=3D3D20 used=3D3D3D20 to be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider a toggle hot key to turn flash support off and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that would be a fix for when jfw loops in flash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fix the flash loop bug.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> continue improving the hot key for find same type of html link.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be great if jfw supported the braille note as a=20
>>>>>>>> hardware=3D20 synth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> consider lowerring the cost on jfw  pro  so average folks=20
>>>>>>>> will=3D20 buy=3D3D20 it=3D3D3D20 and remote desktop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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