Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
- From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:09:00 +1200
Hi Devona,
DOM stands for Document Object Model. (Ted or Rick Harmon might
tell you more about it).
Cheers,
Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devona Abel" <djasister@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:59:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
What is dom?
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
The DOM some of you are complaining about really does appear to
be just
JAWS's interface to its own understanding of the document,
filtered
through the browser's DOM implementation and MSAA translation
of that
DOM, rather than the real HTML DOM. The real HTML DOM
potentially makes
navigation by paragraph (or heading, or link, or whatever)
trivial.
Clearly, if navigation by paragraph is broken that's a fixable
bug, not
a sign that using a DOM is a "bad idea". The P key is supposed
to work:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/JAWSkeystrokes.asp
I suspect it would help if you guys were less laconic when
sharing
experiences. Navigation by paragraph, we are told, works for
Rick, but
not for Arnaud. But this information by itself is of little
use without
knowing at the minimum:
1. What version of Windows each are using.
2. What web browser and version each are using.
3. A URL for a webpage where navigation by paragraph does or
does not
work. (Not everything that looks like a paragraph on a webpage
actually
is a paragraph.)
Certainly, when reporting bugs to Freedom Scientific technical
support,
the more detail you provide the better.
For those of you frustrated by this process, remember that
Freedom
Scientific are not the only ones who can help you here. Web
accessibility depends on interactions between multiple
technology
layers. Not all glitches will be Freedom Scientific's fault:
many will
be the fault of particular webpage developers, Microsoft's
accessibility
framework, or browser developers (Microsoft and Mozilla).
Microsoft has
the microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general newsgroup for
reporting
Internet Explorer problems. Mozilla go one better and offer a
public bug
tracker which you search entries, report new bugs, lodge
feature
requests, and follow up on progress; see:
http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/bugs
The intersecting layers involved in web accessibility pose a
problem,
but also offer multiple avenues by which to approach a given
problem. If
navigation by paragraph does not work with JAWS, by all means
report
your problem to Freedom Scientific, especially if it should
work
according to the JAWS documentation. But I'd strongly
encourage you to
also try seeing if Firefox itself or a Firefox extension such
as
Paragrasp, Fire Vox, or the Firefox Accessibility Toolbar will
give you
the functionality you require:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2266/
http://www.firevox.clcworld.net/
http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/
If such extensions don't offer what you need (as is probably
the case
with Fire Vox and the toolbar), you can also ask their
developers if
they could enhance them with that functionality.
Finally, note that if your main screen reader does not offer
the web
experience you wish, you could try installing NVDA or another
free,
lightweight screen reader along side it. NVDA offers
navigation by
paragraph with the P key.
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 20:48 -0400, Rick Harmon wrote:
I've had a couple of different things fixed by submitting the
problem
to FS. So I disagree with you there. If no one turned anything
to FS
for fixes then Jaws would be much worse than you think it is
now.
Rick
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----- Original Message -----
From: Agent86b
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
Even if you submit complaints to FS it has been my
experience
nothing changes.
Max.
on 01:50 25/03/2007, Rick Harmon said:
Hi,
Have you made any of your problems known to FS? Complaining
here won't make
JAWS work any better. Everyone that has issues with JAWS
needs to submit
their complaints to them. Otherwise your wasteing your
time.
Rick
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----- Original Message -----
From: "alicia" <astarner@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
I agree. I have not used JAWS 8 in some time, because I
honestly feel it is
the worse release ever put out by Freedom Scientific. It has
many bugs;
therefore, I have resorted to using JAWS 7.1 until FS
repairs the many
things that are wrong with the 8 version.
Alicia
"The chief handicap of the blind is not blindness, but the
attitude of
seeing people towards them."
- Helen Keller, 1925
----- Original Message -----
From: "marcatony" <marcatony@xxxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Jaws 8 a disapointment
I am very disapointed in Jaws 8. There are so many
sites that I can not
get it to read. Between telling me there are non-existant
attachments to
telling me that buttons are inactive. I have two versions
of Jaws close
at
hand since Jaws 7 seems to be able to read more things.
Marsha Anderson
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