Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
- From: "Charles" <charlesmar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 09:50:59 -0700
My first introduction to JAWS was with DOS and then moved to JAWS for windows
3.1. I used Accent followed by Deck Talk Express external referred to as the
Cadillac of synthesizers. When I heard the first external Deck talk in the mid
80s I could not believe the voice quality compared to the Echo, think that what
it was called.
If my memory is correct Deck Talk was made by Digital Eletronics.
These kinds of speech products both hardware and software were very expensive
for the individual. According to FS JAWS used to come on two or three 1.4meg
floppys and now JAWS is approaching 100megs.on a DVD
Yes, we have come a long way if you consider those key punch units and the
larger than a double frigerdaires size computers with those huge data tapes.
Will not mention what computers looked like in the mid 40s.
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: Cy Selfridge
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Hi George,
That sounds about like how things went at my company.
We went to the 8086s though because that is what there was. (LOLLOLLOL)
I remember the 286 micros because they were so much faster than the 8086 ones.
There was one between 8086 and the 286. Was it the 186? Does not sound right.
When did JAWS actually come out?
I did not start with JAWS until about 1993 and seems it was release
3.something. Perhaps 3.1?
It was so far ahead of Artic that I thought it was the greatest thing ever. I
think it came on an Arkinstone along with OpenBook and aHP black and white flat
bed scanner.
I honestly believe that scanner was more accurate than most of the rest I
have had since then.
Cy, The Anasazi
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
George Marshall
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:11 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Cy:
I think I used the 3278 modified speech terminal a couple of years, then the
386 and 486 PC's came along and the school system returned all of the 3278's to
IBM and purchased PC's for use of terminals, at that point they purchased me a
software package from TSI for speech on the PC, worked quite well untill JAWS
came along.
George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Cy Selfridge
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: JFW/PROGRAMMING
George,
You are correct as I also used one of those IBM talking terminals.
Worked really well when direct connect to the mainframe but, as I recall,
when we went to networking we went to micro computers for connection and that
is when I was “blessed” with a micro loaded with Artic and the Symphonic 215
board.
It was better than nothing but, not by much. (LOLLOLLOL)
Cy
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of George Marshall
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:40 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Tom:
I am surprised IBM didn't give you one of there terminals with speech. I
also programmed on IBM 360,370 and 9000's. I think about 1982 IBM developed a
terminal with speech, had a numeric like pad attached with a cord used to
control reading of the screen.
George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Lange
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Hi,
I wish I'd known about JAWS back in the Eighties, it might have made life
easier for me in some respects. I did mainframe programming for IBM from 1978
to 1994 in a VM environment, programming using the APL programming language up
until around 1987 or so. After that I programmed using Rexx, which was very
English-like.
I didn't know about screen reading solutions for the PC until 1994, so
all through that time I was at IBM, I used an Optacon to read the screen. That
was actually pretty cool, if a bit inefficient.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob W
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Hi Prakash.
I am retired now, but was a mainframe programmer from the early
seventies to the late 1990s. I used jaws from the early 80s to my retirement. I
don't think I could have done programming without it.
What you are proposing--going from a visual programmer to a nonvisual
programmer--is a daunting, but not impossible, challenge.
I suspect that you do not know Braille. Knowledge of Braille and an
80-cell display would be a great tool to have in your arsenal. You don't need
to learn literary Braille, or even grade two Braille (though this might be
helpful. But, I would suggest that you emphasize learning computer Braille,
which in some ways is superior to literary Braille.
As I said earlier, your challenges may seem daunting, but they can also
be fun, and they may enhance your creativity.
Good luck, and when you run into problems, this list is a great place
to seek answers.
Bob
A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that
thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: john.falter
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
I programmed in assembly language and Cobol for 8 years using JAWS..
----- Original Message -----
From: PRAKASH P
To: JFW@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: PRAKASH P
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: JFW/PROGRAMMING
I HAVE RECENTLY COME TO A POINT WHERE I CANNOT DO ANYTHING
VISUALLY ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN.
I HAVE BEEN USING zOOMtEXT AUDIO EFFECTIVELY UNTIL NOW. But now I
am told JFW is the way to go.
Can someone give me a good view/opinion of how
effective/efficient would it b to do programming for a living with or without
JFW.
I have 20 years of programming experience with MS environments
being the latest. I am able to read all ctooll tip based text and the
program text itself but not sure if I can compete with
The visually enhanced set. I know I have much learning to do but
I would like a seasoned person to give a sense of whats possible.
I am a good learner if not a speedy one.
I am trying to figure out if I should or should not give up on
serious implementation responsibilities.
Thanks for any and all input I can get.
Prakash
Prakash
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