Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
- From: "George Marshall" <marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:35:34 -0400
Tom:
In those days we were mostly programming in PL1, (ebdic).
George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Lange
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Hi,
I saw one of these devices back in 1979, if memory serves. I was working in
one of IBM’s L.A. offices and my boss and I flew up to San Jose, where Bob
LaGrone, an assembly programmer and fellow IBMer, had one. IBM called it the
“SAID” device. S A I D stood for Synthetic Audio Interface Driver. It was
very cool and I could have gotten one pretty easily, but as I mentioned in an
earlier post, it could read the ebcdic character set but not the APL character
set which I used for programming.
Tom
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Bob W
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:36 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Yeah, I remember those beauties. You had speech from the moment you turned
the power on.
They weren't very versatile but they were quite a work horse.
Don't remember what they were called.
I always wished someone would build something like that for pcs.
Bob
"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed
by those who are dumber." Aristotle
----- Original Message -----
From: George Marshall
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Tom:
I am surprised IBM didn't give you one of there terminals with speech. I
also programmed on IBM 360,370 and 9000's. I think about 1982 IBM developed a
terminal with speech, had a numeric like pad attached with a cord used to
control reading of the screen.
George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Lange
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Hi,
I wish I'd known about JAWS back in the Eighties, it might have made life
easier for me in some respects. I did mainframe programming for IBM from 1978
to 1994 in a VM environment, programming using the APL programming language up
until around 1987 or so. After that I programmed using Rexx, which was very
English-like.
I didn't know about screen reading solutions for the PC until 1994, so
all through that time I was at IBM, I used an Optacon to read the screen. That
was actually pretty cool, if a bit inefficient.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob W
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
Hi Prakash.
I am retired now, but was a mainframe programmer from the early
seventies to the late 1990s. I used jaws from the early 80s to my retirement. I
don't think I could have done programming without it.
What you are proposing--going from a visual programmer to a nonvisual
programmer--is a daunting, but not impossible, challenge.
I suspect that you do not know Braille. Knowledge of Braille and an
80-cell display would be a great tool to have in your arsenal. You don't need
to learn literary Braille, or even grade two Braille (though this might be
helpful. But, I would suggest that you emphasize learning computer Braille,
which in some ways is superior to literary Braille.
As I said earlier, your challenges may seem daunting, but they can also
be fun, and they may enhance your creativity.
Good luck, and when you run into problems, this list is a great place
to seek answers.
Bob
A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that
thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: john.falter
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: JFW/PROGRAMMING
I programmed in assembly language and Cobol for 8 years using JAWS..
----- Original Message -----
From: PRAKASH P
To: JFW@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: PRAKASH P
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: JFW/PROGRAMMING
I HAVE RECENTLY COME TO A POINT WHERE I CANNOT DO ANYTHING
VISUALLY ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN.
I HAVE BEEN USING zOOMtEXT AUDIO EFFECTIVELY UNTIL NOW. But now I
am told JFW is the way to go.
Can someone give me a good view/opinion of how
effective/efficient would it b to do programming for a living with or without
JFW.
I have 20 years of programming experience with MS environments
being the latest. I am able to read all ctooll tip based text and the
program text itself but not sure if I can compete with
The visually enhanced set. I know I have much learning to do but
I would like a seasoned person to give a sense of whats possible.
I am a good learner if not a speedy one.
I am trying to figure out if I should or should not give up on
serious implementation responsibilities.
Thanks for any and all input I can get.
Prakash
Prakash
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