RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
- From: "Tiago de Aviz" <Tiago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:00:42 -0200
I think that it could be easier, less-manual. I've dont it several times
myself, but I don't find it amusing to do. Cisco could do some better
research to make things better to upgrade and maintain.
Tiago de Aviz
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>>> thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 30/10/2005 17:00 >>>
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Hi Dr. Shanker-
I have several about the country at my different facilities- mainly for
t1's
and integrated voice/data circuits. Damn good routers, if you asked
me.
I've got some that are still in operation after 8 years of constant
use, and
have never had a single problem with any of them-not even a fan going
out.
But yes, it is that sort of performance that make people forget they
even
have them, and thus, do not think they need attention. I totally agree
with
you on that point. If Pescatoodles had any real insight (as you do)
then he
would have made that point rather than blithe on about how "really
really
really hard" it is to update the IOS. But hey, it may actually be
really,
really, really hard for him. Copying over a .bin file, or just
replacing
one in the tftp boot server and cycling the router is something my 4
year
can do, but I guess not everyone has his skilz ;)
t
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From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:48 AM
Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
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Hi Tungsten,
I hear a lot of how difficult it is to upgrade the IOS, but I don't
know
from personal experience, since the only way Cisco will ever get any of
my
money is by prying it out of my cold, dead hands.
The problem is more related to the perception that its not requried --
since
these devices were forged by Zeus with alloys created by all the
pantheon,
why monkey around with the eternal?
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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MVP -- ISA Firewalls
**Who is John Galt?**
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:22 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
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>
> I must be lucky... I just copy over the .bin file, reload, confirm
my
> config, re-save the running config to startup and move on.
> I've never
> really had a problem updating my IOS, and I was one of the
> early deployers
> of Voice over Frame with the MC3810 series (which went
> through several
> revisions). I've been doing it for years and years now.
>
> Do you other folks really have that much trouble upgrading
> Cisco IOS? I was
> not surprised to hear Pescatore bitch about it, but that is
> for a different
> matter completely..
>
> t
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tiago de Aviz" <Tiago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 1:56 PM
> Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
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> Hell, who wouldn't want a self-update mechanism? Updating IOS is so
> painful that you're almost giving up when you think about it.
>
> That's a Cisco-Engineer trouble ticket generator, that's what it is.
> Same old story as the hardware firewall: As long as it's flowing hot
> air, it's ok.
>
>
>
> Tiago de Aviz
> SoftSell - Curit
iba
> (41) 3340-2363
> www.softsell.com.br
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> >>> DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx 27/10/2005 23:08 >>>
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>
> Here is it, from Tuesday's SANS NewsBites Vol. 7 Num. 47:
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> ---
> --Cisco Customers Unaccustomed to Updates
> (20 October 2005)
> Cisco CSO John Stewart says that because Cisco customers are
> unaccustomed to updating their network hardware operating system on
a
> regular basis, many are still running old versions of the company's
> Internetwork Operating System (IOS). Mr. Stewart says Cisco has not
> adopted automatic patching because its customers do not want it. He
> hopes that the outcome of an unexpected vulnerability disclosure
> earlier
> this year will be that Cisco IOS users upgrade to the latest version
> to
> protect their systems.
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/print.htm?TYPE=story&AT=
> 39217949-2
> 000061744t-10000005c
> [Editor's Note (Pescatore): The issue is more that it has been
really,
> really painful to update IOS. It isn't a patch action, it is a shut
> down and reload the OS action, which is very disruptive to the
network
> and very manpower intensive. While the best solution is always
better
> software development processes to reduce vulnerabilities, software
> vendors (and switch vendors ship a lot of software) have to invest a
> lot
> to make the patch process easier and faster for their customers.
> Microsoft learned this back during the worms of 2001 and now most
> enterprises can patch Windows much, much faster with much less
pain.]
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> ---
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:41 PM
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> Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
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> Hi Dan,
>
> That would be great!
> Thanks!
> Tom
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> **Who is John Galt?**
>
>
>
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