Steve <giggle> Gibson <snicker> of grc.com <chuckle>? You mean the father of <chortle> "nano-probes"? Please; no one with an ounce of IP-awareness has taken his drivel seriously in years. -----Original Message----- From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:37 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall http://www.ISAserver.org It's a bit harder to do now with Windows than it was with DOS, but still quite possible. Steve Gibson writes all of his programs in Assembly language, and even offers a starter kit (http://www.grc.com/smgassembly.htm). I haven't tried it yet, but if I start programming again I might look closer at it. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:26 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall http://www.ISAserver.org You still can if you still remember how. ..just type "debug" at the command line. -----Original Message----- From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:22 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall http://www.ISAserver.org Yeah, like when we proved it possible to write an assembly level program straight from the DOS prompt using the COPY command. *sigh* The good old days.... -----Original Message----- From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:05 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall http://www.ISAserver.org debug g=c800:5 Rember those days?? ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ball, Dan" <DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall http://www.ISAserver.org Not lucky, just more familiar with command-line usage than most IT personnel nowadays. It may not seem like it to you or I, but for someone not familiar with entering commands from the prompt it is a very difficult procedure. That was one of the reasons why I struggled to keep the Operating Systems class at the local University the way it was, they wanted me to switch to teaching Windows only instead of starting with DOS and showing the evolution. I tried to stress the importance of knowing how to use the command-line even in the most modern Operating Systems. Needless to say, I don't teach those classes anymore... -----Original Message----- From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:22 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall http://www.ISAserver.org I must be lucky... I just copy over the .bin file, reload, confirm my config, re-save the running config to startup and move on. I've never really had a problem updating my IOS, and I was one of the early deployers of Voice over Frame with the MC3810 series (which went through several revisions). I've been doing it for years and years now. Do you other folks really have that much trouble upgrading Cisco IOS? I was not surprised to hear Pescatore bitch about it, but that is for a different matter completely.. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiago de Aviz" <Tiago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall http://www.ISAserver.org Hell, who wouldn't want a self-update mechanism? Updating IOS is so painful that you're almost giving up when you think about it. That's a Cisco-Engineer trouble ticket generator, that's what it is. Same old story as the hardware firewall: As long as it's flowing hot air, it's ok. Tiago de Aviz SoftSell - Curitiba (41) 3340-2363 www.softsell.com.br Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, tem caráter confidencial e seu conteúdo é restrito ao destinatário da mensagem. Caso você tenha recebido esta mensagem por engano, queira por favor retorná-la ao destinatário e apagá-la de seus arquivos. Qualquer uso não autorizado, replicação ou disseminação desta mensagem ou parte dela é expressamente proibido. A SoftSell não é responsável pelo conteúdo ou a veracidade desta informação. >>> DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx 27/10/2005 23:08 >>> http://www.ISAserver.org Here is it, from Tuesday's SANS NewsBites Vol. 7 Num. 47: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- --Cisco Customers Unaccustomed to Updates (20 October 2005) Cisco CSO John Stewart says that because Cisco customers are unaccustomed to updating their network hardware operating system on a regular basis, many are still running old versions of the company's Internetwork Operating System (IOS). Mr. Stewart says Cisco has not adopted automatic patching because its customers do not want it. He hopes that the outcome of an unexpected vulnerability disclosure earlier this year will be that Cisco IOS users upgrade to the latest version to protect their systems. http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/print.htm?TYPE=story&AT=39217949-2 000061744t-10000005c [Editor's Note (Pescatore): The issue is more that it has been really, really painful to update IOS. It isn't a patch action, it is a shut down and reload the OS action, which is very disruptive to the network and very manpower intensive. While the best solution is always better software development processes to reduce vulnerabilities, software vendors (and switch vendors ship a lot of software) have to invest a lot to make the patch process easier and faster for their customers. Microsoft learned this back during the worms of 2001 and now most enterprises can patch Windows much, much faster with much less pain.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:41 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Dan, That would be great! Thanks! 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