RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
- From: "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:33:54 -0500
I was holding myself back.
Amy
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From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:28 PM
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I wonder what Amy or Susan would say to that..?
;-p
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From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:25
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Well, to quote Dr.Shinder himself on the matterâ.
âYouâll find that ISA admins donât read playboy for the articles.â
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De : Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Envoyà : 31 octobre 2005 13:44
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Command line is a dying breed? Didnât everyone download Monad last week from
Microsoft???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSH_(shell)
Guess Iâll just toss this Windows Command Line book out the door that Iâve
used as a pillow in a few server rooms to catch some sleep withââ I guess
no more logging of an entire computerâs NTFS settings with a few clicks of
the keyboard and XCACLSâ..
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From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:03 AM
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Well, count yourself in the vast minority nowâ The newer IT techs doesnât
seem to know squat about the command-line, weâre a dying breed *sigh*.
Microsoft has gotten it almost perfected though. It canât get too much
easier than âNew updates are available, do you want to install them now?â,
and âUpdates are being installed, you can continue working while this is
doneâ, or even opt for automatic installation. It takes zero skill to
install a patch/update with this methodology (and some install too quick
because of it).
Cisco hasnât moved to this level yet, although I think they will gradually
get pushed in that direction. The vast majority of Cisco admins are extremely
comfortable with doing all work from the command prompt for now, so there
isnât a big hurry. Hence the quote from their corporate people that their
users donât want itâ
Itâs been a couple of years since Iâve upgraded a Cisco myself, but I
donât recall it being as easy as copying over a .bin file and rebooting.
Might it be because I was doing a whole version upgrade instead of a patch?
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From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:19 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
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It always amazes me on how anything related to command line or anything that is
text only will make many Windows admins automatically say itâs hard or
unpleasant.
I for one, think text mode = light, which = simplicity.
Itâs not that counter intuitive, but simple â and thus less error prone,
more straightforward. I donât need tha bling bling.
But then again that is my opinion. Having manual also ensures you have
competent administrators â
Blind patching is my personal equivalent of Dr.Shinderâs âhardware
firewallâ or the âopen port buttonâ.
But you know discussing this point on a ISA mailing list is pointless, since I
assume most of those who moan about Cisco to be doing ISA for a living â
itâs what they know best. On a Cisco mailing list, that would be different,
since they know Cisco best, and probably only vaguely heard of ISA and ditch it
in the same way.
It all comes to an e-peepee size fight that comes stunningly close to downright
fanboyism.
And somehow making posts just to ditch the lastest PIX or anything cisco does
that is wrong strikes me as vaguely childish and reeks of self-justification,
somehowâ I donât know. I try to stand neutral in my recommendations.
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De : Tiago de Aviz [mailto:Tiago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Envoyà : 31 octobre 2005 08:01
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I think that it could be easier, less-manual. I've dont it several times
myself, but I don't find it amusing to do. Cisco could do some better research
to make things better to upgrade and maintain.
Tiago de Aviz
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>>> thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 30/10/2005 17:00 >>>
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Hi Dr. Shanker-
I have several about the country at my different facilities- mainly for t1's
and integrated voice/data circuits. Damn good routers, if you asked me.
I've got some that are still in operation after 8 years of constant use, and
have never had a single problem with any of them-not even a fan going out.
But yes, it is that sort of performance that make people forget they even
have them, and thus, do not think they need attention. I totally agree with
you on that point. If Pescatoodles had any real insight (as you do) then he
would have made that point rather than blithe on about how "really really
really hard" it is to update the IOS. But hey, it may actually be really,
really, really hard for him. Copying over a .bin file, or just replacing
one in the tftp boot server and cycling the router is something my 4 year
can do, but I guess not everyone has his skilz ;)
t
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