--> cynically: so why aren't we going back there? <-- No reason we couldn't have that I'm aware of. OTB was tossed out as an idea and I don't think anyone was opposed. Nothing wrong with trying a new place. My point with that is not that we should have had this party at Brillobox, but that I'm using experiences from that party to help with this one. *m On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Derrick Brashear <shadow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Mandy <steelgreypittsburgh@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > --> my issue with "no drink tickets" is, what is my money buying > > (rhetorically) > > > > at least if you get drink tickets you get something. <-- > > > > I think you just made my point for me - better than I have been trying to > > anyway (I get too wordy) :) > > > > This is how I see what you're getting if drink tickets are used: > > * If you're a drinker, you're getting to pay $10. $5 for admission and > $5 > > for a beer you could have gotten for $2. > > * If you're not a drinker, you're getting to pay $10 for admission, and > free > > soda if you drink soda. > > > > Not fair to either party, really. > > > > Also, use of drink tickets cannot be "carefree" and managed only by OTB. > > Here's why: > > * Someone from the shop has to give them out to those that have > purchased. > > * Someone from the shop *absolutely has to* keep a close count on how > many > > are given out (this is protecting the group if nothing else - what > happens > > at the end of the night when that bowl of tickets contains more than we > gave > > out, thus having no funds to cover all of them?) > > * Somone from the shop at the end of the night has to pay the bar for the > > tickets they've collected. Which means someone has to stick around until > > the bitter end and everyone has cleared out (at least from our party). > > Staying until 2am is going to suck when you have to get up and go to work > > Wednesday morning. > > > > And sticking around to pay the bar brings me to my last point. If the > bar > > is offering things to us for free, there's no reason we should be paying > the > > bar for anything, or giving them a cut of our proceeds, be it from drink > > tickets or anything else. > > * OTB would not be allowing us to have our party there for free if they > were > > not already going to make money on it. Plain and simple. It's a > business, > > and we're drawing a crowd of people into that business. > > * Essentially, this is barter. They're certainly not going to pay any of > us > > for the time we're going to spend making posters or blazing around the > > internet the fact that we want people to go to their bar. Free marketing > = > > free space. > > * Going to bring this back up: We didn't pay the Brillobox a single > dollar, > > and THEY gave US drinks for free. > >