--> my issue with "no drink tickets" is, what is my money buying (rhetorically) at least if you get drink tickets you get something. <-- I think you just made my point for me - better than I have been trying to anyway (I get too wordy) :) This is how I see what you're getting if drink tickets are used: * If you're a drinker, you're getting to pay $10. $5 for admission and $5 for a beer you could have gotten for $2. * If you're not a drinker, you're getting to pay $10 for admission, and free soda if you drink soda. Not fair to either party, really. Also, use of drink tickets cannot be "carefree" and managed only by OTB. Here's why: * Someone from the shop has to give them out to those that have purchased. * Someone from the shop *absolutely has to* keep a close count on how many are given out (this is protecting the group if nothing else - what happens at the end of the night when that bowl of tickets contains more than we gave out, thus having no funds to cover all of them?) * Somone from the shop at the end of the night has to pay the bar for the tickets they've collected. Which means someone has to stick around until the bitter end and everyone has cleared out (at least from our party). Staying until 2am is going to suck when you have to get up and go to work Wednesday morning. And sticking around to pay the bar brings me to my last point. If the bar is offering things to us for free, there's no reason we should be paying the bar for anything, or giving them a cut of our proceeds, be it from drink tickets or anything else. * OTB would not be allowing us to have our party there for free if they were not already going to make money on it. Plain and simple. It's a business, and we're drawing a crowd of people into that business. * Essentially, this is barter. They're certainly not going to pay any of us for the time we're going to spend making posters or blazing around the internet the fact that we want people to go to their bar. Free marketing = free space. * Going to bring this back up: We didn't pay the Brillobox a single dollar, and THEY gave US drinks for free. *m On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Derrick Brashear <shadow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Mandy <steelgreypittsburgh@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Sorry just now catching up on all the emails! > > > > Awesome on the free non-alcoholic drinks, very cool of them. > > > > Still voting nay on the drink ticket system though... and $5 at the door > > with no drink tickets allows for: > > * extras to come hang with us! (honestly if I didn't know anything about > > HackPittsburgh, I don't think I'd pay $10 at the door for a party, but I > > would consider $5 to see what was shaking) > > my issue with "no drink tickets" is, what is my money buying (rhetorically) > > at least if you get drink tickets you get something. > > so, count this as a vote for them. > >