[geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?

Cheryl,

WAF:
Waters above the firmament.

LOL by Philip.  What did he say that meant again?  Laughing out loud?  Are
you sure?

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?


> Gary -- What is WAF?  Cheryl
>
> Did you find out LOL means Laugh Out Loud?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:51 AM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
>
>
> > Genesis 1:20, naturally.
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:08 AM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> >
> >
> > > Please Gary what verse 20?  Philip... By the way, I believed in an
> aether,
> > without any help from the Bible....
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Gary Shelton
> > >   To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >   Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:39 PM
> > >   Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> > >
> > >   I don't think we should forget that the Bible talks of the "open"
> > firmament
> > >   of heaven as being the sky in verse 20.
> > >
> > >   I kind of think we have the earth, the open firmament, the
firmament,
> > and
> > >   the WAF.
> > >
> > >   Does that fly with you?
> > >
> > >   Gary Shelton
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: "Robert Bennett" <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx>
> > >   To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >   Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:11 PM
> > >   Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> > >
> > >
> > >   > Dear Dr. Jones,
> > >   >
> > >   > I'll not deny
> > >   > you a quick reply.......
> > >   >
> > >   > Amazing.   There are just a few fuzzy areas to clarify.
> > >   >
> > >   > 1- <The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.>
> > >   > Does this include atmospheric water, both visible (rain,clouds)
and
> > >   > invisible(vapor)?
> > >   > Remember, the aquasphere and atmosphere are constantly exchanging
> > water
> > >   via
> > >   > rain and evaporation.
> > >   >
> > >   > 2-  <the dry land may be within the firmament>
> > >   > It is written:
> > >   > Gen 1:9  God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven,
be
> > >   > gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And
> it
> > was
> > >   so
> > >   > done.
> > >   >
> > >   > The land was below the water when the plenum was created (If the
> land
> > >   > appeared now, it must have been created before).
> > >   > My exegesis is that the plenum ends at the earth's surface,
whether
> > dry or
> > >   > wet, since the land was formerly part of/under the water.
> > >   >
> > >   > Else, if the plenum penetrates the dry land, how far does it
> > penetrate?
> > >   Sea
> > >   > level? To the core?  What about the lakes and rivers above sea
> level?
> > >   >
> > >   > 3- <There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum.>
> > >   > Could this water be frozen....ice?
> > >   >
> > >   > 4- <If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
> > completely
> > >   > frictionless.>
> > >   > Friction is the resistance to relative motion between 2 objects in
> > >   contact.
> > >   > In the case of the plenum one of the objects is invisible (so
far).
> > >   > If this means to you that the plenum cannot slow an object down,
> then
> > I
> > >   > respectfully disagree .
> > >   > Perhaps a little more description of 'friction' would help.
> > >   >
> > >   > 5- <there would be paths within it for the Sun, Moon, planets and
> > stars
> > >   > (just like there are channels in the ocean).>
> > >   > For future discussion - not now!
> > >   > Are these paths static or dynamic?
> > >   > The objects listed were inserted into the plenum by God. What
about
> > those
> > >   > artifacts inserted by man - satellites? Do they also have paths
> > pre-formed
> > >   > into the plenum?
> > >   >
> > >   > Note that my questions are requests for information, not
challenges.
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > Pax Christi,
> > >   >
> > >   > Robert
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > > -----Original Message-----
> > >   > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >   > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr.
Neville
> > Jones
> > >   > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:26 PM
> > >   > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >   > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > > Dear Robert,
> > >   > >
> > >   > > You are a bit of a dark horse, but you are an open-minded dark
> > >   > > horse, that's for sure. And a poet to boot, although that's not
so
> > sure.
> > >   > >
> > >   > > As to your rude question, "What does Scripture say of the
> > >   > > plenum's boundaries? What is its extent? How do you read it?", I
> > >   > > respond as follows:
> > >   > >
> > >   > > The plenum, or firmament, was created on Day 2, before there was
> > >   > > any other physical thing, except water. In particular, there was
> > >   > > no dry ground. The atmosphere is therefore part of the
firmament.
> > >   > > Also, the dry land may be within the firmament, too. In fact, it
> > >   > > almost certainly is now, because it was raised up significantly
> > >   > > in parts after the Flood.
> > >   > >
> > >   > > There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum. On the
> > >   > > surface of that water is where I believe the third heaven starts
> > >   > > (i.e., where God and all angelic beings reside.)
> > >   > >
> > >   > > If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
> > >   > > completely frictionless. However, there would be paths within it
> > >   > > for the Sun, Moon, planets and stars (just like there are
> > >   > > channels in the ocean).
> > >   > >
> > >   > > As time goes by,
> > >   > > I await your reply.
> > >   > >
> > >   > > Neville.
> > >   > >
> > >   > > Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >   > > Dr. Jones,
> > >   > >
> > >   > > see RB: inserts
> > >   > >
> > >   > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >   > > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >   > > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr.
> Neville
> > >   Jones
> > >   > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:27 PM
> > >   > > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >   > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon landings?
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > I believe that now is a good time to move this discussion on a
> > little.
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > We are seemingly all agreed that the Bible informs us the the
> > >   > > > World is fixed and does not move in any way.
> > >   > >
> > >   > > RB: Geostatics I affirm today
> > >   > > but a year ago would have said - Nay!
> > >   > >
> > >   > > > I'm not sidestepping the force issue. I'm just taking this one
> > >   > > > step at a time. But let me ask you something ... if the plenum
> is
> > >   > > > exerting some force on material objects, and this force is
from
> > >   > > > east to west, then why does it not affect the atmosphere?
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > Neville.
> > >   > > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > > RB: Excellent Q?, Dr. Jones.
> > >   > >
> > >   > > It's rude to answer a question with another, but so many of your
> > >   positions
> > >   > > surprise me, I don't really know what to expect of your
> metaphysics.
> > >   > >
> > >   > > So before I trigger what is potentially a long but enlightening
> > >   > > thread, let
> > >   > > me be Socratic and ask your indulgence to answer the following.
I
> > >   > > promise to
> > >   > > respond in turn, but will understand if you choose not to pursue
> > >   > > this issue.
> > >   > >
> > >   > > What does Scripture say of the plenum's boundaries? What is its
> > >   > > extent? How
> > >   > > do you read it?
> > >   > >
> > >   > > Gen 1:6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the
> > waters:
> > >   and
> > >   > > let it divide the waters from the waters.
> > >   > > 7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were
under
> > the
> > >   > > firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was
> so.
> > DR
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > > Pax Christi,
> > >   > >
> > >   > > Robert
> > >   > >
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