The crucial difference between 'boundary' and 'limit' is what?? Would 'interface' suit your fancy? Pax Christi, Robert Yes, if the interface were flexible as someone said , limits being the extreme end of the flexibility.. I can accept your surface of the errth and seas, as being a limit, with flexibility for the bulges LOL. Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Bennett To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere? Neville just agreed the plenum is down to at least the surface; now you're out of step. ~(:^)> Yes, the f = the p. Don't the clouds touch the surface in the mountains, or fog in the valleys? Yes, a boundary above the atmosphere conflicts with Scripture, which is why it's rejected. The crucial difference between 'boundary' and 'limit' is what?? Would 'interface' suit your fancy? Pax Christi, Robert > -----Original Message----- > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Philip > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:05 PM > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere? > > > Yes, the Hebrew term 'paniym' means in front of, on the face of. > So the open sky is the face of the firmament - the lower visible part - > clouds, blue sky, etc. > Pax Christi, > > Robert > Is the firmament the plenum? thus then if so the plenum boundry > is above the atmosphere. does this not then conflict with waters > to waters.. although above the waers, or even between the > waters does not necessarily set boundaries... just limits.... Phil > >