[geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?

I don't think we should forget that the Bible talks of the "open" firmament
of heaven as being the sky in verse 20.

I kind of think we have the earth, the open firmament, the firmament, and
the WAF.

Does that fly with you?

Gary Shelton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Bennett" <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:11 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?


> Dear Dr. Jones,
>
> I'll not deny
> you a quick reply.......
>
> Amazing.   There are just a few fuzzy areas to clarify.
>
> 1- <The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.>
> Does this include atmospheric water, both visible (rain,clouds) and
> invisible(vapor)?
> Remember, the aquasphere and atmosphere are constantly exchanging water
via
> rain and evaporation.
>
> 2-  <the dry land may be within the firmament>
> It is written:
> Gen 1:9  God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be
> gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was
so
> done.
>
> The land was below the water when the plenum was created (If the land
> appeared now, it must have been created before).
> My exegesis is that the plenum ends at the earth's surface, whether dry or
> wet, since the land was formerly part of/under the water.
>
> Else, if the plenum penetrates the dry land, how far does it penetrate?
Sea
> level? To the core?  What about the lakes and rivers above sea level?
>
> 3- <There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum.>
> Could this water be frozen....ice?
>
> 4- <If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be completely
> frictionless.>
> Friction is the resistance to relative motion between 2 objects in
contact.
> In the case of the plenum one of the objects is invisible (so far).
> If this means to you that the plenum cannot slow an object down, then I
> respectfully disagree .
> Perhaps a little more description of 'friction' would help.
>
> 5- <there would be paths within it for the Sun, Moon, planets and stars
> (just like there are channels in the ocean).>
> For future discussion - not now!
> Are these paths static or dynamic?
> The objects listed were inserted into the plenum by God. What about those
> artifacts inserted by man - satellites? Do they also have paths pre-formed
> into the plenum?
>
> Note that my questions are requests for information, not challenges.
>
>
> Pax Christi,
>
> Robert
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr. Neville Jones
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:26 PM
> > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> >
> >
> > Dear Robert,
> >
> > You are a bit of a dark horse, but you are an open-minded dark
> > horse, that's for sure. And a poet to boot, although that's not so sure.
> >
> > As to your rude question, "What does Scripture say of the
> > plenum's boundaries? What is its extent? How do you read it?", I
> > respond as follows:
> >
> > The plenum, or firmament, was created on Day 2, before there was
> > any other physical thing, except water. In particular, there was
> > no dry ground. The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.
> > Also, the dry land may be within the firmament, too. In fact, it
> > almost certainly is now, because it was raised up significantly
> > in parts after the Flood.
> >
> > There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum. On the
> > surface of that water is where I believe the third heaven starts
> > (i.e., where God and all angelic beings reside.)
> >
> > If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
> > completely frictionless. However, there would be paths within it
> > for the Sun, Moon, planets and stars (just like there are
> > channels in the ocean).
> >
> > As time goes by,
> > I await your reply.
> >
> > Neville.
> >
> > Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Dr. Jones,
> >
> > see RB: inserts
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr. Neville
Jones
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:27 PM
> > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon landings?
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe that now is a good time to move this discussion on a little.
> > >
> > > We are seemingly all agreed that the Bible informs us the the
> > > World is fixed and does not move in any way.
> >
> > RB: Geostatics I affirm today
> > but a year ago would have said - Nay!
> >
> > > I'm not sidestepping the force issue. I'm just taking this one
> > > step at a time. But let me ask you something ... if the plenum is
> > > exerting some force on material objects, and this force is from
> > > east to west, then why does it not affect the atmosphere?
> > >
> > > Neville.
> > >
> >
> > RB: Excellent Q?, Dr. Jones.
> >
> > It's rude to answer a question with another, but so many of your
positions
> > surprise me, I don't really know what to expect of your metaphysics.
> >
> > So before I trigger what is potentially a long but enlightening
> > thread, let
> > me be Socratic and ask your indulgence to answer the following. I
> > promise to
> > respond in turn, but will understand if you choose not to pursue
> > this issue.
> >
> > What does Scripture say of the plenum's boundaries? What is its
> > extent? How
> > do you read it?
> >
> > Gen 1:6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters:
and
> > let it divide the waters from the waters.
> > 7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the
> > firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so. DR
> >
> >
> > Pax Christi,
> >
> > Robert
> >
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