Me ( Bernie ) in red. philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Geocentrism as a science. I know you all have noted my often presented defense of main stream science, not that I want to debunk geocentrism, but to be just plain fair. Perhaps it needs to be said outright... I have just spent several minutes looking at the side by side animations (GWW.) of the daily orbits of the solar system from both the geocentric and heliocentric perspective. It cannot be denied when considering all the natural motions of the planets around the central sun, as shown in both systems, that to claim an unmoving and central earth is very very unique Geocentrism has always claimed a unique place for the non-planet Earth. That the Earth and mankind are special and unique in God's eyes. So that's why it is central and not moving. , and goes against the natural order presented by the rest of the cosmos What natural order? The Kabbalacal heliocentrists are claiming an exploding 16 billion light year big universe. Indeed against our own experimental evidence in earth bound laboratories. Faucault's Pendulum is unscientific. Our own eyes see the sun move, our own legs feel no movement - both observational "experiments" and real science. Its unfair to say otherwise.. Its going to require unique science to prove our claim, It's going to require unique science to prove the heliocentric claim, and we sure have received a trainload of that. Superstrings, Black Holes, Hidden Dimensions, Etc. which we base solely on a supernatural/theological position. Not Solely. Philip. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.