Philip wrote: > Sorry Alan and Mike and the list. I made a mistook. A serious mistook. > Well I think I am mistaken. I can easily get disoriented when moving around, > mentally moving that is. > > You will see in my analogous creation theme that I gave the aliens ship a > secret rotational twist to make it think it was in the same frame as the big > rock. That's right. Unless you use relativity you have enormous problems explaining all these forces that appear to be as a result of your angular momentum when you are stationary. > And the heliocentrists reckon the universe cannot rotate around the little > weightless massless centre of our earth. > > What if the universe was just a big flywheel? If the universe looked anything like a flywheel with the earth at the centre you would have a point. The solar system "looks like" a flywheel with the Sun at the centre. The galaxy looks like a flywheel with, suprise suprise, the galactic centre and the centre (and the sun a long way off). > Just as the little flywheel is a little universe , mostly empty space with > all them little proton suns and planetary electrons, all rotating around > that nothing space in the centre. > > Is that what the geo people mean by the universal mass? I don't know what the geo people mean, they don't have one unified model, just a lot of "doubts" about things they can easily verify for themselves and a lot of half baked theories that are inconsistent with each other (and often internally inconsistent). > I went into a university site once to seek an explanation of the gyro effect > seen in the precession of a simple toy the spinning top. Do you know, there > was two or more pages of mathmatical formulas and equations. > > I reckoned they didn't know. There is a world of difference between complex outcomes from simple theory and a complex theory. It is actually very good supporting evidence if a handfull of simple equations that appear to be intuitively true can, through pure maths if one accepts the equations, predict very complex behaviour. Regards, Mike.