[geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts? (Supplementary)
- From: "Jack Lewis" <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:49:32 -0000
A great drawing Allen but could you get rid of the background - it gets in the
way. The less superfluous stuff the better. Also it is difficult to read the
small type. Otherwise brilliant!
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts? (Supplementary)
Paul, Refer to your own chart of what will without question or dispute,
produce a star trail....now look at the attached diagram..I hope this becomes
clearer if not obvious to you exactly what the problem for HC/AC is...you cant
have it both ways..... it produces a star trail and yet it does not for the
same reasons......
Paul...you need t'a......... "join the team and come on in for the big win!"
Allen
P.S. Paul im sorry, not for being harsh, but for being unessisarily outright
rude to you sometimes.......It is easy to lose sight of good manners with the
real people out in cyber sssssspaceeeeeeeeeeeeeee sometimes...
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Paul, this round ..Me in purple, answering you in this color
Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen D
Me in this colour.
Paul D
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----- Original Message ----
From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October, 2007 4:20:23 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts?
(Supplementary)
Paul me in blue...
Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen D
Some extracts from your last accusing me of getting it wrong, of being
wilful, of not understanding even HC (obviously inferior) astronomy with my
responses. I've commented them here in teal.
[ PD ] Because the radius of rotation is trivial in comparison to the
distance to the two stars in question and essentially plays no part in the
process.
[ AD ] IF that were true Paul please exaplain to everyone what causes
the star trails we see every night?..Surely you are just kidding.........your
stament contridicts your own position......
No it doesn't. Relative rotation on the axis between the camera and the
object in question with the object in question at centre frame is what causes
star trails. And what part of the "relitive rotaion" of the earth around the
sun as the axis do you not see!? It plays no part ,as I've stated many times
(if I understand your statement and in truth, I'm not sure of that). look at
your own drawing for crying out loud the only difference is the direction of
the axis...ofcourse it matters if it did not then your own drawing would be
meaningless..... The axis must be the axis of rotation -- either Earth
geographical polar axis or Earth orbit axis (Ecliptic) being the two axes under
discussion at this juncture. The diameter of each circle (one per star) is
determined by the radial displacement of the star making the circle from the
axis of rotation. This does not address much less answer the question... There
are so many questions hanging at the moment and from several people. Why don't
you mention the question? Afraid I'll answer it?
The quesion Paul, is why don't we see star trails around this annual
axis that is 23.44 offset/ different from the nightly one that produces
startrails. by the same rotaional motion, there should be some trail ......?
Even assuming that the base line makes no difference then the star
trials will be the same size as the nightly only they will exist around an
entirly different axis (the annual axis that is 23.44o offset from the nightly
ones and it will be different stars in the hierarchy of circles that make up
the trails up and down the axis.) Since Polaris would no longer lie on or near
the axis of rotation, it would now be further away from the axis even Paul
according to your own last drawing (which is a good drawing to demonstrate
this) the further a way a star is from the axis of rotation the larger its
trail will be.....so you will still see circles the only difference is that
since stars are no longer have the same distance from the axis of rotation that
they did on the other axis (nightly, it is 23.44o different) the various stars
will have new and different sizes then they did before......Polaris will have
a larger one now becuse it is further from the axis of rotation.....but..others
will have smaller ones because where in the nightly star trails they were far
from the axis of rotation, now they either lie on or very close to the axis of
rotation ..In fact, if you look at your own diagram along with Jacks you should
be able to see why...?.......NONE EXIST!......... THUS THERE IS NO ROTATION!
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