[geocentrism] Re: Gary asked for it.
- From: "Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:46:50 -0600
Cheryl,
It seems that whether one wants to talk about religion or science, it's
prudent to be careful about making sweeping conclusions, especially when
you admit you don't know it all. For example, you admit that for all
these years you overlooked what the Bible says about the earth being
fixed. Likewise, in all honesty, you'd need to admit that if you missed
that (which is present numerous times in the Bible), you can be equally
wrong about not knowing what the Bible all has to say which supports the
Catholic Church. You really don't know what you are still missing do
you.
Hopefully I'm in keeping with Neville's limitation, which I respect.
I'm commenting only because your discussion about science on this link
(at least as far as I'm concerned) will lack credibility if you draw
uneducated sweeping conclusions about an area that you know little about
(which is different than inquiring about something to learn more). For
example, regarding your comment on the Pope: as to what this Pope said
on evolution or what current Church leaders may say about the earth's
movement, I can only suggest that you need to study the official
teachings of the Church on these topics, which I believe will surprise
you. Every word that comes out of a person who holds office in the
Church is not necessarily the official teaching. If you don't
understand this or know the difference, I suggest you study the topic
before you criticize, because you really don't know what you are talking
about.
Regards,
Nick.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl B. [mailto:c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:17 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Gary asked for it.
Re debating the Catholics, I figure that if that's all somebody's agenda
is, proving that the Mother Church was right all along, that we should
never have doubted "her," -- I say, save it. I'm not interested in
becoming a Catholic. If the Catholic Church was so perfect, the current
pope wouldn't
be championing a belief in evolution. I am a KJV only person, believe
it's
the inerrent Word of God, and I'm ashamed of myself for all these years
overlooking what it said about the earth being fixed and the sun
"Running."
Cheryl
Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Lewis" <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Gary asked for it.
> Dear Cheryl,
> Just a friendly word of warning. Some of us have already tried to
> debate R.C. doctrine with those on the forum who are RCs. It was a
waste of time.
>
> Neville has discouraged this type of discussion because it gets
> nowhere
and
> he has respectfully asked us not to debate these kind of issues but
> rather to stick to the point of the forum namely things geocentric.
>
> Love in Christ
>
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:17 AM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Gary asked for it.
>
>
> > Philip, If a church or person lines themself up with the scriptures
> > --
is
> it
> > the person or group or church or the scriptures that are besmirched
> > when somebody supposedly comes along and "proves" the scriptures, or
> > interpretation of those scriptures, wrong?
> >
> > The RC church has in the past agreed with the scriptures at times
and at
> > times not. Likewise with any man or group you care to name, bar
none.
> >
> > But it is the Scriptures that are our standard of authority -- not
> > the
men
> > or groups who deign to interpret those scriptures.
> >
> > God gave authority only to Jesus and to His Word -- not to any
> > manmade tradition. The church is the body of believers, those who
> > have
"received
> > the love of the truth," -- not necessarily members of any certain
> > group
or
> > church.
> >
> > As the Bible says, all believers are priests unto God.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:37 PM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Gary asked for it.
> >
> >
> > > Nick I will compile a resume.
> > > The Galelleo affair was before the rules of infallibility were
defined,
> so
> > this allows the evolution/creationists, (slow creation LOL) a reason
> > to
> make
> > controversy of it. I t was the work of a "protestant" Irish Catholic
> > priest, who did not accept the TRUTH about Genesis, who set about to
prove
> > that certain decrees were infallible, simply to make the
> > Infallibility doctrine, and the Church stupid and wrong, because as
> > he believed, "everybody and his dog knows that the world rotates and
moves around a
> > stationary sun" Fr. Roberts..
> > >
> > > Obviously "Rome" believes that today, so it has "given up the
Ghost"
> and
> > gone to bed with the devil...
> > >
> > > But I do have on file a very good compilation of the history wih
comment
> > supporting the GC view. I will send it privately to any requesting
> > it, Titled,
> > > The Theological Status of Heliocentrism October 1997 by J. S. Daly
> > >
> > >
> > > Chapter 2 begins like this with a long list of dates....
> > > Documents and Facts Bearing Upon the Church's Attitude to
Heliocentrism
> > > 24th May 1543: Nicolas Copernicus' De Revolutionibus Orbium
Caelestium
> is
> > published with ecclesiastical approval on the day of its author's
death.
> The
> > study argues in favour of heliocentrism in several places but is
prefixed
> by
> > a preface explaining that heliocentrism is advanced only
hypothetically.
> > This preface was commonly assumed for some years to have been
> > written by Copernicus himself, though it is now established that its
> > true author
was
> > Osiander.
> > >
> > > 18th February 1564: Galileo Galilei is born at Pisa.
> > >
> > > 1600: Giordano Bruno is tried for heresy. During his trial the
> Consultors
> > of the Inquisition listed among the unorthodox propositions taught
> > in
his
> > writings several in favour of heliocentrism, based on Copernicus.
> > Pope Clement VIII deleted these from the list of propositions he was
> > to
abjure.
> > Bruno was burned at the stake.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Niemann, Nicholas K.
> > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:53 AM
> > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Gary asked for it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Philip,
> > > I think you've stated this well.
> > > Can you save me from hunting. Where is the Church's definition
> > > on
the
> > > immobility of the earth.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Nick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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